I know you all want this; a place to fall out and forge allegiances with those aligned with you.
To get you going:
Boris: Lying, elitist, duplicitous and untrustworthy buffoon with bad hair.
Jez: Head in clouds, hard-line socialist, dangerous for business; has trouble with sums.
Jo Swinson: Meh, who? (just like Farron)
The Sturgeon: Vociferous nationalist; Jimmy Crankie in high heels.
Farage: Leading light and Saint to some, slippery sh!t-stirrer who provoked all this to others.
DUP: We want our cake, and weāll damned well eat it too. Bunch of petulant kids.
Interesting about the anti-democratic bit (Swinson). I had this discussion at work, and somebody made a good point about the LDs and the scrap Article 50 ticket.
A vote for LD is a vote to revoke Article 50, that is the democratic vote on the issue. If enough people voted for the LDs and they got a majority, then itās revoked. However in practice, what are the chances of that happening! Even if there was a Coalition with one of the big 2, they still donāt get to revoke by default.
Oh yes, if nothing else you canāt say theyāre not clear on their stance, you know what youāre voting for.
Irrespective of how you voted on Brexit I just think itās wrong to ignore the vote completely and just say weāre not doing it.
The precedent it sets in respect of not honouring any vote you donāt agree with just feels wrong. At least have another vote with different/more specific options if that is what you want.
Why is Farage even on the list? Hes not even running, scared of being an 8 time loser.
Dont have anything good to say about any of them (maybe that Swinson has a nice rack), but you have to make your choices with with youāve got. In my constituency its a two horse race, although the ElectoralCalculus website reckons its a dead cert for the incumbent.
I wouldnāt call the LDs mental over the Article 50 thing, just misguided I think; I donāt think it will work; does anyone? But in many constituencies itās a battle between Conservative & LD.
Because, so far, itās been pretty sensible! @GrahamO has been schooling us all on trains. @SloggingScotsman respectfully disagrees with people and makes his own points well reasoned.
Iāve met a few people on here and more from TT1.0, most of the time theyāre decent people (that @Jorgan was a bit of aā¦ )
I was referring to some of their other policies. E.g. actively pushing for Self ID and GRA changes. So we can let men with dicks in to the ladies changing rooms unchallenged,. That wont get abused by rapists of course not. Lets remove safe spaces for 50% of the population to pander to a tiny minority of people. Labour have the same policy. Its very dangerous but you canāt challenge it because that makes you a transphobe. The left is eating itself and is becoming very self-centered.
I did hear something of these issues on R4 some time ago, and that women needed to mobilise against this sort of thingā¦itās no good a load of white middle-aged men banging this drum. Women need to let it be clear this is not on; there are some stats to show what you allude to.
This is where āchanging villagesā can be a good thing; no sex segregation, rather a āsafe spaceā for everyone, and no unclothed āpublicā showering etc. slightly harder in other circumstances/locations for sure though.
Yes and no. The trans side has a lot of virtue signalling middle aged straight white men banging the drum quite hard for these trans rights. Wont give the details on a public forum but I know quite closely of a middle aged straight white man attacking a gay person for their perceived transphobia and it got very nasty. My wife naturally feels very strongly on this matter, to the point that a life-long labour voter is now considering a Conservative vote as they are not overtly supporting this - they have kicked the GRA can down the road and left it out the manifesto completely.
It certainly doesnāt hurt for men to be protecting womens rights. I have a wife and 2 daughters so it means a lot to me personally, even if if it doesnt directly impact me.
Iām not well-read on the subject; but it would seem ācommon senseā that pre-Op individuals should not be integrated into (traditional) female-only environments, like prisons, changing facilities etc.
Exactly. But say that to a pro-trans rights person and theyāll call you a bigot and transphobe. They are not pre-op individuals, they are women because they say they are women is their argument. Its what makes the debate so difficult.
Took it down a single issue cul-de-sac there! Sorry.
Back on track. Who is voting purely about Brexit in this election? Lot of people I speak to think its a single issue vote. Sure whatever happens with Brexit will dominate government for the foreseeable future, but they will be in pace for the next 5 years so think people should be looking past that.
Brexit will still dominate the next parliament, and probably the one after that. Whether we are officially inside or outside the circle, all political energy will still be spent picking through the pieces. If Boris really wants to āget it doneā then he could be our longest serving PM, but I suspect the novelty will wear off before then.
Does anyone else miss listening to the news when it talked about things going on outside Brexit, and overseas current affairs. Iāve stopped listening to the hour-long R4 news programmes now. Iām sick of the all-consuming state of UK politics/news.
Thatās why āGet Brexit Doneā is such an effective strategy. They are promising that on 1st Feb we can all move on. It will be interesting if the press and public lose interest once we are officially out and the actual negotiations happen in obscurity. That is probably what some are hoping for, less scrutiny on the final deal.
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