Bloody 'ell … horse roids!!!
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Episode on Real Science podcast covering Zane Robertsons doping admission this week.
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just shows how desperate some of these dopers are. bonkers
Not listened to that one, was gonna give it a miss as listened to Zane’s interview with Brad Beer on pogo physio podcast. Anything much to it?
Zane claimed he only doped once and that was the time he got tested. Tale of poor mental health and frustration and not being able to compete at same level/against perceived cheats led him to it.
No one ever said that before. I struggle to believe when they stuff like that, especially with the lengths he went to, to cover it up. Tyson Fury’s mental health issues only came to light when he was banned for doping.
Not uncommon as it can be easier to get hold of the drugs in some countries and it works.
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Agree. Zane and Brad are good friends so it was a strange interview for a neutral, not probing. Unfortunately for people now we’re all so cynical we won’t believe the excuses/rationale, despite the reality is that they’re human, get tempted and make mistakes.
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Basically played extracts of that interview and discussed it back & forth.
They did say that the test was done at the specific request of NZ anti-doping, which suggests he was on their radar due to previous abnormal tests or suspicious activity.
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On a similar vein, it was a bit disappointing to hear Tim Reed and Steve McKenna talking about Peter Bol doping case. I remember it as them defending him and saying the authorities were unjust/unfair, have ruined his career as will never get reputation and sponsorship back for something he’s been acquitted for due to faulty EPO testing.
For those not following an Aus story, my limited understanding is he’s previously had 2x atypical findings, so was being target tested. Then he returned an A sample positive, which (mistakenly) the authorities announced publically before the B sample was tested, with another atypical inconclusive result on the B sample and so he’s been cleared.
To outsiders that’s hardly a gleaming sign of innocence to have 3 atypical tests and 1 postive within a year, so I was surprised to hear them be so critical of the authorities, even if they definitely have made procedural mistakes.
I don’t know if that’s how micro-dosing would work to give atypical results that can’t definitely be classed as positive?
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Coincidentally this appeared on the BBC yesterday:
BBC News - Peter Bol: Australian runner’s doping row could have global impact
The take is that the EPO test itself could be brought into question, which has implications for many other cases, and a new line of defense for those caught in the future.
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Similar to the nandrolone cases years ago. A technicality how Saint Pep of Football got cleared.
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I think the issue with this Chris is that everyone (media mainly) have taken Bol’s legal letter to SIA as fact which I am still struggling to see why it was sent. Interestingly Bol has been ‘cleared’ via the A-Typ B sample (which his agent sat 22 hours through) although SIA said in statement they were continuing to investigate. Why would Bol’s team go to those lengths if nothing in it as he cannot sue? He can race now, he could have just let it die down. They must think SIA have something for sure - all actions on this do not speak of an innocence person. I follow a very popular running podcast here call ‘Inside Running’. No mention of it this week- I think they are smart enough not to be drawn in.
Conor Benn looking at a two year suspension.
With strict liability it’s the only possible answer.
No matter HOW it got there, the FACT that it’s there is down to him.
A quote from a boxing site today “ boxers are getting as bad as cyclists “
I questioned this, I think boxing is worse.
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There is a constant battle between drug cheats and testing authorities. There is increasing sophistication in the drugs and their means of administration an the ability of the labs to detect the drugs. Micro doping EPO for example is incredibly difficult to detect - just tell the authorities that you will be at home at 10pm every night, and so long as you do not take EPO after 4pm it won’t be detected - in order to get a positive test, the authorities need to turn up while the athlete is training within a couple of hours of them taking the EPO. It appears that this is what the SIA did based on a tip off.
Is Bol clean and just produces high levels of natural EPO? Was the testing incorrectly performed? I do not know, however, there is clearly a lot of uncertainty on both sides.
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They don’t test for levels of EPO but for synthetic EPO (Recombinant human erythropoietin rHuEPO). Roche have marked their EPO so it is very easy to detect.
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Not illegal there, fine out of competition, and even if you fail an in competition test if you can demonstrate you were partying with it the ban is short (3 months or 1 month if you get treatment for addiction.)
(EDIT clarified as it is of course a PED, but only in competition ie not a PED in the context of the use there, you can train all you want on it, Heroin’s the same for our less city banker members and more Scottish *.)
- EDIT again to clarify that my sum total of Scottish life is from Trainspotting.
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What a twat !
A lot of kids these days are on the coke
Seems more do coke than E - MDMA now isn’t it.
Fuck knows. I don’t understand any of them. Nothing makes any sense anymore
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You are 100% correct … however…
But to ask how cocaine use will effect your chances in a race down the line?! On a hardcore fitness site were 99 % of posters don’t take rec drugs, not even at the weekend is a totally (untish thing to do,
Dear me… what does he expect … I smoked weed for 10 days solid on a stag do and it dropped my ftp by 10.5 %?
Fair play… this made me laugh even more than the finance thread though
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