Sub-4 Marathon

It’s a good point, 5:20/km does sound a stretch. The plan I’m on doesn’t allow for racing, but it does schedule a half distance at 5:26/km week after next. I might put my name down for that and hold the training pace rather than best effort…hopefully these are different things! :sweat_smile:

You need to remember you’ve got the cumulative fatigue of training, a taper will improve things on race day.

Sounds like some decent efforts.

Jeff

There surely must be somewhere better to train if this is a key session? I’ll hit up some more interesting terrain if I’m just going long and easy, but if it’s a key session, screw the boredom, I’m doing laps of a suitable place. Battersea Park is ideal and luckily on the doorstep (3k away), but whereever I am, I can generally find something nearby of 1-2k that’s fairly flat and limited to no chance of traffic interruption.

Is it dull? Yes, kind of. But for someone that otherwise does long sessions on the treadmill, I doubt that should be of particular concern!

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I agree with @stenard on this one.

My normal long runs are down a nice river and along pathways that used to be a railway line but these can be muddy this time of year and a little unpredictable so when I have a key session that I need to hit certain paces I do a 2.5 mile lap around where I live on pavements.
Last week I managed 7 and a bit laps which is tough mentally but has to be done.

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Yeah, but I was out of my area today (daughter has a weekend scholarship on the other side of London) I just needed anywhere I could run. It was a nice place I’d recommend but not best suited for my particular needs. I’ve used a couple of the gyms around there before.

Treadmill was okay last week, but I suppose there is a small park about 4-5k away from home I think ParkRun is 2.5 laps, so maybe ten laps would be about 20km. Might give me more experience at pacing outside too. And I could dump my gels, jacket and water.

Was anyone else out in that wind today? A struggle to walk at times.

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That sound similar to what I used. For my malaga build, I think I must have run 100-150 laps of battersea park over the few months. And just take a hydration pack or a hip belt to store the gels. Much easier

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Was going to do my 2.5 mile loops but knew before I started that I wasn’t really up to it today and reckon I would have bailed before I got my miles in.
Went out and ran about 11 miles from my house knowing I wouldn’t have a choice but to run back.
Ended up getting 3 hours of running in and feel knackered now but good training!

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Park was a good shout, 5k run to get there, planned for 12 laps of 1.8km but got dizzy and HR spiked during the 17th km so I backed off the pace and cut the run short (26.7km out of 32km). I was dead on my feet running home though.

I think I got the pacing more or less right until 17. So some positives from the wreckage :sweat_smile:

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Good stuff mate. In my completely un-expert opinion, I reckon if you aimed for 6.00s from the off and kept it there, you’d see less of a tail off.

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Good running @joex

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What he said…

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Good work. The laps of a park approach is definitely something to persist with

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I’ve got two check points coming up, an unforgiving hilly half marathon next Sunday, looking for a 1:55 and the following week I’ll be lining up a parkrun to match my planned 5k tempo which asks for a 24:00 but I might race it to see if I can hit 23.

I already suspect I need to revise up my goal, but these should confirm by how much.

Im also paring down my cross training as these long runs get faster - I had a catch up, late lifting session last night 5x5 squats, overhead press and deadlift…which didn’t help today 🤦🏻

How are you guys doing?

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I was supposed to being doing my final long run tomorrow but have developed a really sharp pain in my right glute to the point where last night I couldn’t put any weight on my right side.
It was comical me trying to get about!
It has eased slightly today so I will try a turbo session tomorrow and see how I get on with that.

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Ooch! Good luck with it.

Did a steady 2 hour turbo session today instead of a run.
Watched Ford v Ferrari while doing it which is pretty good film.
Always have a rest day on a Monday so will see on Tuesday if my glute is up for a run!

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I have a 10k this weekend to see where i’m at with fitness, was hoping to pull in around the 55 mins, i’m currently 3 weeks into a half marathon training plan and the aim is sub 2 at the Hackney half, I then have the prudential ride 100 to help get some timber off over the summer and then, the only issue is, it is 4 weeks into my NYC training plan, should I do the ride or not, would it be beneficial to my Marathon training or hinder it in any way…? I still think I can sub 4 at NYC and am in the gym 4 days a week currently and running on 3 of them, swimming 2.

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I can’t see the ride doing you any harm with it being 4 weeks into your training plan, depending how long your training plan is though!
Just take it easy for a few days before and after.

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Haven’t learned last weeks lesson and did another catch up weights session last night straight after 9.5k run at tempo…unwise and my legs are trashed today. Getting on a late lunch bike in a minute to clear them up hopefully.

Weather is looking atrocious for TW Half, organisers monitoring and possible cancellation on the cards. Either way I can’t see it being a useful yardstick for my training now so I might can it anyway. Plus I hate Spring Hill.

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Okay, so treadmill half marathon: 01:50:20 PB

I must’ve had bad info, set it to 5:10/km to sneak in a 1:49 something but I saw at halfway it was too slow, dropped to 5:07 then the last 5km at 5:05.

I was pretty dead, don’t think I could go faster without cooling anyway. Breathing was fine, I could’ve been nose breathing most of the way, but exhaling through the mouth expels more heat. Heart rate fine but for the last 5k it averaged 168 and where I saw it hit 170 a couple of times, but overall avg 159.

It’s a treadmill, so not necessarily accurate, and it’s flat. But hot, soaked in sweat and more encouraging than a stressful event and potentially disastrous race result at TW. :slightly_smiling_face:

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