When I was swimming around 24 in the pool, I’d do my 100s off 1:45, but I guess that’s solo, so harder. Is this a Tri club swim? That sounds very FOP!
Yep, tri club. Although there’s a couple at the front of the fast lane who only swim. But yes, there are just some really FOP swimmers.
One of the guys I did Bahrain 70.3 with last year, and he swam low 25s (33rd overall). Did his first full IM at Copenhagen this year, and swam 56 (49th overall).
Clapham Chasers, isn’t it @stenard ?
There seem to be a few of them in Kona.
Got my 50 kick down to 1:37 tonight… nearly died in the attempt though.
Another evening of drills, and then a few hundred metres at a higher SPM than my natural rate…
Actually, its quite nice to have a focus, rather than just aimless lengths in the hope that things will get better!
talking of speedy, IIRC @goldenboots was another Clapham Chaser before he moved to the big apple?
Yeah, I got to know Shaun quite a bit on club rides during his last tri comeback!
he’s had a comeback?.. last time I think I raced against him was IM Nice in 2014!
(I say ‘raced against him’… actually, it was more a case of being on the same course at the same time, but several miles behind him)
No, he started back, then stopped again. Think it might have been an injury, but also his pending move to NY
So I tried the 50m kick flat out with float again today - a tick over 50s 
I properly went for it, and was regretting the fried egg sarnie eaten 90mins prior to the session. Pretty suprised with the time - I had a proper bow wave going at the front.
Did a flat out 50m free a bit later, that came in at 37s. No idea what to make of those two times (if anything).
I did 20 and 21 strokes for the lengths in the 50, normally I do about 21-22. Quite a way from the lower numbers folks on here manage.
Also tried kick yesterday. Still can’t use my arms.
20m pool, so can’t get 50 times, but did 2:01 for a 100 with fins&board, and 2:29 just board. Definitely had to pace it. 50 could be more of an all out effort.
Did some 40’s of drills too, and was doing (with fins) 40 as 20 kick on L, 20 kick on R in 42ish, and 40 torpedo roll in 47
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Another session from the back catalogue today. 20x100 off 1:45(ish!). I had initially intended for it to be 3 sets of 5x100 off that, but the initial reps were fast enough that I just kept going…and going. I must admit that the last 5 were a bit more like off 1:48 as I made it off 12s RI to get another couple of breaths in!
Average 1:35 for the 20.
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Sweet baby Jesus!
What are your normal 100, 200 and 400 times?
@Jorgan - I saw that, good session you got in there.
@stenard - 2:01, with fins and board, in a 20m pool? What are you doing??? Not pushing off, I hope 
I did (some more) 25s today. Managed to get a 15s and 16s one one - BOOM!
Now to work on doing four of those back to back…
Not sure really, don’t swim much and almost never do flat out efforts. I think I got under 7 mins once for 400 in the pool, and maybe just dipped under 90s for 100m - a flat out 100 is on the hitlist for the next swim.
Just trying to enjoy swimming at the moment so just do whatever the mood takes me and hoping to make the act of getting to the pool more habitual.
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Oh come on! There’s no way you’re only sneaking under 7:00 for 400 with those times you quoted.
Yeah, you should be way more in the region of 6 minutes flat at those kicking times and the 50 flat out.
Please don’t make me do an eyeballs out 400m 
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Swam last night with the slow group, as still pretty tired after Sunday. for the main set we did 10 X 100’s at 1:40 with 20s RI. I was diligently counting strokes, if I really focused on my form, I was swimming at 16 strokes per length, although most were around 18, however, when my mind wandered and I wasn’t thinking, I was at 21 strokes per length… basically all at the same pace. I also noted that when I pushed harder (around 1:30/100m pace) my SPL also increased, so clearly I lose some form.
After reviewing this thread, and after doing some experiments, I can see that there is real value in achieving a consistent SPL at the same time as increasing SPM. One issue I do have is that SPM in a pool is difficult to measure due to the kick off, so It will be difficult to translate to SPM in OW swim.
DO IT
Every trifleet should own a Finis tempo trainer! @Hammerer has noted it can make you pause momentarily after push off to sync up, but other than that works a treat.
feet to flags we used to say on turns so 5m, which means strokes are per 20m, it was always just one dolphin kick off the wall unless specifically working on them. Distance swimmers dont do many dolphin kicks on turns as its energy intensive, but sprinters will come up after ~10m or even more in many cases (15m max is the official rule)