I went from 3:59 to 3:56 for 400fc purely from improving kick, got my 100m kick down by about 10-15s over course of 6-9 months after moving clubs to one that had it as an emphasis. Was quite a low hanging fruit in hindsight for that level of improvement.
Yes, I appreciate that’s not true long distance freestyle or triathlon swimming.
But you are probably the best swimmer here. You or TC.
But bearing in mind I took up swimming long before the age of 25, it’s no mean feat
Sheff giving JC advice is really entertaining. I think you need more tips about long distance swimming JC, because you didn’t just coach someone to a world record recently or anything 
Growing up in competitive swimming, I do understand there’s a difference between channel and pool, but anyway…still tickles my sense of humour
nope…if it is not is his repertoire then it isn’t of value…
only through default…
always willing to learn @Annas 
he could have been faster…i might pass on my latest recruits as they would obviously do better elsewhere…;0
mine too…
This shows you really either do not understand, have made no effort to understand or are so fragile that you cannot accept that this is a ridiculous argument.
Socrates would be proud 
How do you know your 400 time might not have come down anyway ?
Edit
Having just seen the sub 4 minute 400 time then that is a different kettle of fish anyway. 4 minute 400 free swimmer would be much more likely to need a big kick. But I wouldn’t have thought there are many sub 4min 400 freestylers on here !
Don’t know why you are saying that, all I am really saying is if it works for you then keep going with it. How could anyone be offended by that statement ?
How much training have they had to do to “have it in their kit bag” ?
I’d have thought to really improve ones kick one would have to do hours a week, say one hour minimum. Now if one is doing 10 hours a week in the pool that might be worthwhile, certainly for someone who does some sprinting. But most people are only doing a few hours a week, and that then means kick training is taking up a lot of their pool time, maybe up to a third, which particularly for a distance swimmer it seems to me they’d be better off using that pool time just swimming.
Incidentally I just got a weird error message saying I could not put on any more posts on my first day as a user. There appears ot be a bug in your software.
My last point exactly.
Lets try this a different way. Have a re-read and show me where anyone suggests “putting a big propulsive kick” in a triathlon swim. Because so far you’re the only one to suggest that.
Edit: I am not offended in the slightest.
Who said that then? “big propulsive kick”
What you replied too said “effective kick,”
Its not effective if it knackers you out. So @SheffSwim whats your point again?
I know…
only if you cannot understand the concept of proportionality…
hence the need to develop…
To be clear, just in case, the whole reply was to @SheffSwim
I understand your comment(s)
one of Brazil’s best captains…
Yer pools tend to want people poolside who are actually qualified to be poolside. Woke gone mad
Minimum of 10% of every set for a triathlete, ~20% for swimmers, perfect for WU, a lot of drills have a kick focus anyway, ie 0 arms, some anaerobic capacity work, or just “social kick” at the end. So no big deal. I recon my junior triathletes get 400m minimum kick focus in a lot of sessions (not all but most)
Nope, there isnt, your trust level is not high enough to make any more.
We used to hire a lane at a pool, mainly so I could use the Sonr with him, and it worked really well. It’s incredibly frustrating now when they insist I stay in the water and can’t even see his stroke (other than above the surface) when he’s more than a few metres away.
How would you feel H if you knew you could be helping your lad get faster and someone was stopping you ? I am certain you’d feel as frustrated as I do.
The fact a pool we used to swim at would let me coach (so long as we hired a lane…) means it cannot be some farcical H&S rule.
But I am not sure I agree with the thrust of your argument anyway. You appear to be implying that if you’re “qualified” at something then you know what you’re doing, but if you’re not then you don’t.
As regards the former as I wait for my lanes session I often watch “qualified” swimming teachers yet I wouldn’t have been happy for some of them to teach my lad, and I get complaints about swimming teachers from other parents whose kids are being taught, which implies many others agree with me. On the other hand, despite having no “qualifications”, I taught my lad to swim and despite him being small for his age he has 3 or 4 Yorkshire times.
In a similar vein I have no “qualifications” in running a business, yet my mine is still going despite being in one of the trades (TV aerials was its basis) with the biggest fall off in sales ! So I must be doing something right, despite being “unqualified”…