I did a purely aerobic swim this morning and was pleased that my SPL was never more than 20 (when I counted) and my speed was a little faster for the same RPE than it has been over recent weeks. I don’t do these to time but keep an eye on the clock in case I get distracted and lose count.
#metoo. but much worse.
so why is it that folks who can bike and run well enuf like me cannot get any propulsion from kicking?
it cant just be sinky legs syndrome.
Using a front board for kicking drill only, I grind to a halt half way up a length FGS, after the inertia of the push off the wall runs out.
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ankle mobility, kicking from the knees not the hips, not enough flexion from the knees. probably a bit of them all.
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not much then. FGS 
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Lack of fins
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Technique
Watching the 1500m men’s finals there’s an interesting shot just after a minute of the leader where you can see Paltrinieri has a weird flourish and crossover at the end of his right side pull - I think this is what I do, so it can’t be that bad can it?
Romanchuk gets silver and looks like he’s doing a catch-up drill the whole way, even stroke timing
Finke and Wellbrock look a bit more text-book to my eye with a very narrow catch
Overall they all have a weak looking single dolphin kick, and a stroke rate around 60-65 I reckon.
Distance swimming the energy cost of dolphin kicks is too great so it’s just the one to transition to stroke.
On technique, most elites can look like they are not technically perfect, they aren’t. But they reduce drag to minimum and use propulsion as best they can for their body type. Many things that Swimsmooth et al worry about in books etc are marginal gains. The odd one will make little difference and changing could actually cause an imbalance elsewhere actually slowing you.
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Right some help if you’d be so kind.
Noticed in the lake tonight that my none breathing hand is collapsing in the water (particularly when start to fatigue).
I noticed it and tried to force the EVF, but I was almost forcing my shoulder to contort or something to get the arm to bend.
There’s a brief forced rest as clamber over a sand bank before swim exit and then the last 100m suddenly I’m fine and stroke looks and feels better.
Any tips for helping that EVF when fatigued?
Visualization stuff like hand over the barrel normally works well in my head. But that didn’t help today.
Zwift can help with that.
Double swim days.
My pool only does 45min sessions and I can’t be arsed with going anywhere else. 
What’s the better gap? 15 mins or separate them between morning and afternoon?
Only planning to do endurance sessions this way, unless there’s a better idea.
Can you book back to back sessions? Hop out - back in for the next session?
Gone back to free for all at my local now. Not that I’ve spent much time in the pool
Better Leisure have a block on their app so still only 1 session a day, even though there is space. Frustrating.
That would be the 15min option
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Annoying. Waste of valuable time. Preferable to leaving and coming back later though?
What’s more effective training is more on my mind than how much time it takes.
Maybe a fifteen minute break isn’t enough for the body to shift into recovery mode and it has a similar effect as continuous set…or maybe not.
Maybe a six+ hour break is enough to recover and it be fresh…or maybe not 
I usually put 3-4h between swimming and a bike or a run, but those are different muscle sets, so usually my arms/shoulder get a full 24 hours rest.
This guy seems to think for morning and afternoon you just need to be ready to put in a quality session, not just padding volume:
On the bike I would rarely do doubles but it would be quality morning, easy or endurance in the evening.
Don’t think I’ve ever done a double run day?
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And this guy think increasing volume is not as relevant as how fast you go
https://www.brianmac.co.uk/swimming/swimspeed.htm
Admittedly they talking about groups doing double or quadruple what I’m doing though
Have you considered using 2 separate sessions as “fasted” training so good breakfast and hard swim. Limited food then an easier aerobic/technique swim in afternoon.
I’d go 2 separate sessions ss getting into the water little and often trumps “hero” sessions
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I did a 4km set split by 15mins.
Just stood under the hot shower and did some movement for most of the break.
It was fine.
Got back in and knocked out 2 x 300, 4 x 200, 4 x 50 and a cool down. All at the same pace as the prior session.
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Did you have tailwind though 
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Jerking off in communal showers, tsk tsk.
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so Hammy, please point me to a yootoob vid or something that illustrates what I’m doing wrong / not right, and the kick board drills required to try and make a start correcting it Asking for a friend obviously . 
as I’d never lower myself to structured training, as everyone nose plodding along as fast as you can with your existing bad technique 
is the only acceptable form of sw1mming. 
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