Trail & Ultra Running Thread

They’re saying a worst case scenario of no inside aid stations and be prepared to heat your own water with your crew. I think they will attempt outside stations but they are urging everyone to supply a crew, which would be very hard for me.

My thinking is to defer to 2022 and concentrate on work a bit and then go full tilt for SDW100 in the new year and have a proper version of AoA to look forward to. If I were local, I’d be much more willing to suck it up but if things get more restricted, there will be a lack of hotels for me and any crew (likely my sister) I could pull together.

The other thing for me at least, is that I’m very inexperienced at winter ultra racing and would probably be at my limit with all the bells and whistles, let alone without them.

If I had multiple AoA under my belt, I’d probably be able to suck it up, just to support the race but I’m really not sure of that at the moment.

HEADTORCH RECOMMENDATIONS PLEASE

Under £50, prefer a rechargeable one over a 3*AAA battery one.
I’ll be using it on proper darkness and off the beaten track, so need to see by it, not just be seen.
There’ll be little to no ambient light where I am running, so no light pollution from street lights etc, which may make night vision of my own eyes better.

TIA :kissing_heart:

I’ve got a different Alpkit headtorch but this looks kinda what you’re after:

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I’ve got an Alpkit, as long as you have backup batteries it’s generally good and shouldn’t break the bank.

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I have this one and find it great. They’ve come down a lot in price, I think I paid £65 for mine 18mths ago.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Petzl-ACTIK-HEADLAMP-Green/dp/B06VV1KLSP

crewing a whole 100 for someone is a big ask especially if a bit remote

in winter as well

I know how I would vote

Well I’m doing only the 50 but yeah, still a big ask

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fair enough

I have a deferred place from the SDW100 this year which takes place in November

Not recovering as quick as I thought from TP100 and the thought of doing the SDW 100 mostly in the dark in what is likely to be bad weather is making me question the wisdom of doing this

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It’s the lanes that will be the problem. This isn’t 200 cars flying up and down the a30, it’s tiny back cornish lanes, to remote spots on the coast. May not go down well with the locals.

[:rotating_light: Long Rambling Post Alert :rotating_light:]

I’ve spent the last 48 hours or so really questioning signing up for this, and now 24 hours writing this post! It’s been 5 years since I last did something like it, and that was the NDW50 (finished with 15 seconds to spare) and Race to the Stones (twisted my right ankle slightly about 10 miles in, carried on because the logistics of quitting were really awkward, left hip has never been quite the same)

Thinking about the process to get to the start line reminds me of the punchline to an old joke… Well sir, if I was going there I wouldn’t start here

An assessment of weaknesses.
Weight: I don’t have a set of scales with me just now, but I’d guess I’m in the high 80kgs, to low 90s. Last time I was in shape for this kind of endeavour was 2011 and I was about 71/72. When I look back at pictures from then I’m actually not sure I want to get back to quite that level, but high 70’s would be a big improvement on now without looking “awful” (direct quote from a colleague who recently saw a picture of me at ‘race weight’)
Plan: Eat well. I know what’s involved in dropping weight, it’s keeping track of what I’m eating, avoiding things that I can get delivered, and reducing my beer intake.

Recovery: I don’t recover like I used to! I suspect there’s a few factors here, being older will be one of them, having misplaced a lot of the base fitness I used to have will be another, and being heavier will make the training feel harder.
Plan: Sleep, being consistent with it, and minimizing beer consumption. I should try out some kind of recovery shake/food type thing so I can be quick about starting recovery as soon as I’m done, and not grazing on junk. And the dreaded Roller.

Injury: My calf muscles, shins, knees and left hip. Calf/Shins are a recurring issue since I did the TDS in 2011 about 3 weeks after IMUK, then didn’t stop and recover properly I tried to push on through and ignored the increasing pain in my shins. Well done past Iain, that was silly. Left hip is an occasional issue from the aforementioned Race to the Stones incident, but generally speaking it gets better with more exercise, not worse. Knees just ache at times.
Plan: I should actually do some strength training. I’m weak like a piece of wet tissue paper, and historically I just have tried to get away with it. I suspect with getting older, going further, and what not that won’t be the case any more. I’m pretty sure the knee aches will be helped by that too, along with the roller. And being less fat.

Qualifying: Oh, yeah, I’ve not got a 50 mile race in recent history so need to find one of them to do in the build up.
Plan: Probably the Butcombe 50 in April. It’s a bit closer to the end of the ski season that I’d like. I like the idea of London to Brighton on May 29th, but that seems to close too the big day, or it could be a last big day out before taper starts? The Dragon 50 Coastal race on 2nd May might work, but does it conflict with peak weeks? I don’t think so, I think it’s manageable.

Mojo: So often the problem; as my brother once put it ‘you really love signing up for races, don’t you?’ . Harsh, but fair. Once reality strikes and life gets in the way and I realise I just want to drink beer and eat pizza then fall into a spiral that’s hard to get out of.
Plan: No idea. None at all.

What have I got going for me?
Time: I’m single, and work a job that means I can be anywhere, it’s fully remote and has been for 2.5 years, and I can make the hours work better for me. Does mean I miss out on things like run commuting which I used to find quite a good way to just hide mileage in my days, but that’s OK. I just need to form a plan, and mostly stick to it.

Stubborn: I spent 31 hours and 4 minutes struggling across the Alps in 2011, about 21 hours trudging along the Ridgeway for Race To The Stones and I can be pretty determined about stuff that I think my body should be able to do.

Huh, I was really hoping this part of the list would be a bit longer. :man_shrugging:

I wonder if I’d do well to engage the services of a coach.

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HOLY SMOKES!

Just checked out the photo’s at the bottom - WOW!
The absolutely floodlights everything.

Cheers :slight_smile:

Another vote for Alpkit, I’ve got the one with the red light on the back too (not rechargeable). Useful for country lanes at night but probably not so much an ultra in the wilds.

I’ve no experience whatsoever with these types of events - But two points I would make, are that you have time to get where you need to be and get that qualifying race done sooner than later. I wouldn’t want that hanging over me and it could be a great confidence booster

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A lot of this resonates Iain. I’m having similar ‘oh shit’ thoughts but for reference, here’s my list and we’re not worlds apart, so lets help each other.

I’m 55 (will be 56 when SDW happens).

I’m 87.5 kgs this morning and have not been sub 80 since IM Wales, Sept 2018.
The difference in running I feel from being mid 80kgs, to sub 80 is astounding. I’m aiming for sub 80 by Xmas and looking to be 78 or less by race day. I’ve been as low as 72kg but not for years and years, so that ship has sailed.

I’ve already qualified with my RttK last year. I did the 53straight miles in 13:49 and know I could do better if I did it again, just through course knowledge and the fact that it was my first ultra.

Like you, I came undone at RttS three weeks later, fell badly at 18kms in and hung on until 55kms but the pain in my shoulder and knee was too much for me. DNF!

My plan was tickover now and gradual build to do the Arc50 in Jan but I’m 90% going to defer that now until 2022. I do have some deferred road races, namely the Bramley 20miler in Feb and Newport marathon in Apr (at the moment!).

I’d love to do a local-ish 50 around Xmas time and another around Easter but I never know where to find the races.

The rest will be a self written program and I doubt I will exceed 60miles per week save for probably three peak weeks that will be 80-100miles. I read an article from a coach once that said with ultras, if you can run in a week, what you intend to do on race day, you won’t be far off. I have no idea if it’s true.

I do know that back to back 4-5hr runs on the weekends are miserable AF. I also intend to keep some semblance of riding up.

I’ve always built up my program using mini races a long the way for motivation but that will be hard this time. I can see lots of trips to QEP for Butser Hill repeats in my future!

I live in Winchester and can access The Downs at the drop of a hat, so some familiarity would be good. It’s the other end I don’t know at all and that’s the lumpy bit by all accounts.

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Iain - a good book suggestion with training plans if you need it is Relentless Forward Progress.

I have never done over 60 miles in a week and especially as getting older wouldn’t really think that would be wise (maybe accounts for my firm mid pack results)

Karl Melder never does more than 15 miles in his training (which I have to say is quite remarkable)

Long slow build up begins now in my view - keeping it going over the winter not being easy for sure

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Thanks - will check that out; I do love a good excuse to buy another book!

Yikes! Though I suspect there’s an element of him having been doing so much and gone so far that maintenance of his capacity doesn’t take all that much… and/or he’s a freak!

Yep, and I think trying to add some variety is going to be key for me on this - I seem to have misplaced my mental capacity for just running the same routes over and over and over and over but with a bit of thought I expect going on jaunts to places for weekend long runs will help. I hope so anyway! Can’t hurt…

Help needed

On Sunday I have my first Ultra, 53km, 3500m trail running
There is one official stop with some food and drink
Rest is self supported, with plenty of rivers and fountains to refil bottles

I think it will take 8 to 9 hours

I have lots of gels and cerial bars

What food do I need to bring
Thinking about some cheese rolls and peanuts and or crisps and come cakes

Don’t want to take too much unneccessary weight

Will need some warm cloths as there is snow at highest point (2400m)

I don’t really have much idea what I have got myself into

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I quite like using pittas or flatbreads instead of rolls, they don’t squash as much and are quite compact.
Also take porkpies and mini cheddars, but your tastes may vary

A selection of bars and gels for more instant calories on the go.

Enjoy !

I like mini sausage rolls, they don’t go off in heat like cheese ( not an issue) my the sound of it.

Sarnies with crusts cut off pack well.

I love cold pizza on ultras. Pepperami is another fave, as well as homemade rice balls.

I wouldn’t get too hung up on small bits of weight though Matt. It’s not cycling and few hundred grams of food here and there is going to make a tiny difference, but the calories could rescue your race.

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