moderation in moderation…
it’s the only way to go…
You keep telling us your family eats a kg of butter a month, we eat 1.5kg… and anyway Butter must be great, it’s not UPF, it’s barely P at all!
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So more butter then?
I’m so confused 
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There’s lots of folk in the “anti seed-oils / pro saturated fat” who eat huge amounts of butter/cream etc. so maybe worth a try - experiment on yourself to see what works!
How’s it going now?
What times do you train?
16/8 would be a massive leap for me, so I’ll start with 12/12 next week; breakfast at 7am and try to get the mrs to cook by 7pm. Theoretically should help sleep if nothing else.
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What is the #sciencefact behind that, apart from reducing calories in?
Cherries contain melatonin, raw honey stimulates melatonin and shuts off orexin. Almonds and Bananas both contain magnesium, all good.
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I was 72.1 yesterday morning!
16/8 has been pretty ‘easy’ with WFH. If I was still cycling to work, or training for an Ironman I wouldn’t do it tbh. Currently I train around lunchtime, normally not ‘fasted’. So like to have dinner done by 6/6.30, then I can have breakfast at 10 the next day. At weekends, I can easily last until midday without eating tbh; not without caffeine though 
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Internet schizoid info
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This provided some humour on a course I was on last month, as one of the UK’s leading sport and exercise docs told the story how he got a slap on the wrist in 2016 after saying that if you only have the technique to ‘splash around in a doggy-paddle hybrid’ you’d have a similar metabolic response to many household tasks, and would get greater metabolic response to a brisk walk, dancing, easy cycling etc.
Of course there is more to swimming than purely calorie burn, but the headlines were that the exercise advisor for Public Health England tells GP annual conference ‘swimming is a waste of time’, bringing backlash from all sides.
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I honestly think some of the more corpulent old dears in the pool back home might be spending less energy bobbing slowly across the pool, than in almost any other waking situation. As they no longer have to support their body weight. Although there’s getting changed before and after and walking in from the car park, so maybe they get the benefit of the doubt.
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Both you and the good Doc Chris will know, but walking is the most underrated thing we can do as a “human” first. and even as an “extreme” endurance athlete, 4 hrs walking in the hills will produce an excellent metabolic response.
Listening to a Bobby Magee podcast (on Simon Wards show but not the latest, the previous Bobby Magee one) where BM jokes about cyclists being exceptional at cycling but when it came to running, upper body strength or anything not cycling related they were testing terribly due to the concentric nature of the exercise. I guess swimming is very similar in the lower body, especially with the triathletes who drag their legs like two anchors or swim up and down with a pull buoy or floaty pants for half an hour.
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A few years ago I read something that claimed swimming in colder water burnt more calories on the basis that the body had to work harder just to keep warm, I suppose a bit like shivering.
I suppose it depends on how long they’re in.
Seemed reasonable but I’m no expert and that massive milky coffee and slab of cake was probably still a net calorie intake.
Can’t underestimate the social impact though towards general health?
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Not looking at most of the cold water swimmers I see 
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Apparently there was some viral internet thing trying to suggest that you could lose weight by eating ice cream, because the body burnt calories to heat up the ice cream, thus negating all the fatty, sugary goodness you were eating. Unfortunately the calculation had confused calories and kcals, thus the ice cream was 1000x more energy dense than the energy to heat it up, but the basic premise (it takes energy to heat things to body temperature) was - in theory - correct.
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Which is all undone when they open their backpacks and remove 5000 cals of sugary food and drinks 
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My Mother. (well known endurance coach and nutrition expert!) keeps telling me that ‘swimming exercises every muscle in the body’.
She can’t swim and reads the Daily Mail, so… 
Wasn’t there a similar claim for celery? It had so few calories the body burnt more trying to digest it
You/They are all missing the psychological and social value of swimming…
Just had a very interesting couple of hours of theory and practical session with Russ Barber…
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100% . This is what i was going to come back to, again! It’s not a singular issue here - it all fits into part of a wider system. Mental, immunity, social, physiological, weight etc etc.
Winter Swimming: The Nordic Way Towards a Healthier and Happier Life by Susanna Soberg is a good read.
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Which no one here has denied (or missed). And of course swimming is better than nothing, and if people get those other benefits and enjoy swimming then happy days. I think the point was that swimming doesn’t (/shouldn’t) have to be the first activity recommended for people to use to improve their health if they’d get more benefit from other activities. It’s a common idea that swimming is best/better.
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