CICO is Lies - Dr Noakes

I think that’s the traditional grammatical rule of ‘an’ before a vowel, but not otherwise… versus how people pronounce things in speech.

Classic example: My car is due ‘an’ MOT.

How long did that take you?

A hour?

Or …

An hour?

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The podcast did address this a bit. Saying that 100 years ago being malnourished usually meant lacking calories in diet, but now it is not necessarily the energy that is missing but other nutrients. So it is possible to be malnourished and “living with obesity”. (I guess to be fair, should be calling it “living with malnourishment” :man_shrugging: :man_shrugging: ).

Think they stopped short of suggesting that a lack of specific nutrients (but not energy) might drive food seeking behaviour in a maladaptive way. But maybe that was just at the point where I slipped out for a bowl of Carrefour chocolate granoloa with semi skimmed milk, and ended up having two.

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That simply doesn’t seem to meet the basic smell test - we know that until modern times, almost everyone lacked vitamin C in winter, plenty of calories, it just missed essential nutrients 'cos they had extremely limited diets, unless we’re talking very specifically just the post world war 1 period, and not applying this to any previous times.

Also of course, anything on 100 years ago and relying on US data is going to be confounded by a pretty significant change to everyones calorie consumption there.

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Well, I’ve been 16/8-ing for a few weeks now, and weight is now stable around 73.5. Down from 77 at one point, which was the catalyst. Before that I was around 75.

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does zwift know?

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I probably mentioned something but was ignored :wink: I’m not sure what the point of this fred is anymore, but CICO is not lies whatever Doc anti vax, anti climate change, Noakes says :wink:

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Zwift told me “I’m living with malnourishment” last week. Surely 6ft5 and 55kg is OK

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@pacha +1 to the above.

Remember TriTalkers are unlikely to require NHS resources to help them with their weight.
(A bit of encouragement on the Weigh-in thread maybe, but not medical intervention.)

I think Chris van Tulleken wants to switch the focus to CI, as this is where the UPF comes in.
(Away from food industry sponsored research about exercise to deflect from their UPF harms.)

Again, CvH does this to himself and the difference was clear within a few weeks! :astonished:

The book above highlights faults with the current ‘traffic light’ food labelling vs. NOVA.
(Where NOVA 1 covers meat, fruit and veg up to NOVA 4 for UPF.)

Obviously, there is no simple ‘silver bullet’ answer to this, but CvH wrote this:

“No one thinks Philp Morris should fund the doctors who generate the research around whether smoking harms you. No one thinks that tobacco legislation should be written be written by charities funded by British American Tobacco. Why should food policy around health be any different?”

Anyway, did I mention read the book?
(So, I can stop banging on about it. :wink: )

Cheers, Paul. :slight_smile:

PS
Gotta love Harry Hill on that podcast. :smiley:

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That’s an interesting parallel to the book I mentioned. David Kessler used to head up the FDA and his big project was tabacco regulation but he also wanted to regulate UPF but the US being as it is there was no chance.

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yep…the more you use, the more you need…

an honourable mention…

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Exactly!

Nutient dense, cut out the crap

As for the fatties - one meal a day. Easy

:raised_hand_with_fingers_splayed:

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Is that different to eating continuously all day? (Asking for a friend :face_with_open_eyes_and_hand_over_mouth:)

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Yes - as long as you don’t breath between mouthfuls you’ll be ok. My witch doctor said so

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Oh, mine said ooh, eee, ooh, arrrr, arrr, bing, bang, walla, walla, bing, bang!

There’s one for the kids!

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And it has to be all fat, no carbs

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Yes only butter

Butter is delicious.
But knackers your body.

Leave it alone :sob::sob::sob:

Nah. Dispute that. My grandmother died at 99 years old with more butter options in her fridge than anything else. It’s the moderation part that everyone forgets - everything in moderation.

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