Ideas for the future of Ironman

There are some events, like IM Hamburg, were there are 55 normal slots (Man and women) + 100 slots just for women. The idea is that there will be equal number of men and women next year. It doesn’t take a genius to work out that these special races could have massive roll down for women.

To be honest I don’t quite understand the logic. Today, most events, the women get one or 2 slots per AG, as a result a lot of really good female athletes do not qualify, this will not change. But you now get these special events where it will be almost too easy to qualify. I think that a better solution would be to have at each event 50% slots for women and 50% for men. This would seem to be a fairer method

Nah.
Simpler, yeah, not fairer.

If they want to distribute slots to women, then surely using some “factor” of entrants per AG vs additional slots would be better?

EVENT DATE LOCATION SLOTS EXTRA WOMEN’S SLOTS
IRONMAN Vichy August 21, 2022 Vichy, France 55
IRONMAN Canada Penticton August 28, 2022 Penticton, British Colombia, Canada 55
IRONMAN Wales September 11, 2022 Pembrokeshire, Wales 55
IRONMAN Wisconsin September 11, 2022 Madison, Wisconsin 55
IRONMAN Italy, Emilia Romagna September 17, 2022 Emilia Romagna, Italy 55
IRONMAN Maryland September 17, 2022 Cambridge, Maryland, USA 55
IRONMAN Chattanooga September 25, 2022 Chattanooga, Tenneesee, USA 55 100
IRONMAN Barcelona October 2, 2022 Callela, Spain 55
IRONMAN Portugal - Cascais October 15, 2022 Cascais, Portugal 55
IRONMAN Waco October 15, 2022 Waco, Texas, USA 55
IRONMAN California October 23, 2022 Sacramento, California 55
IRONMAN Florida November 5, 2022 Panama City Beach, Florida, USA 55
IRONMAN Malaysia November 5, 2022 Langkawi, Malaysia 55
IRONMAN Arizona November 20, 2022 Tempe, Arizona 55 100
IRONMAN Cozumel November 20, 2022 Cozumel, Mexico 40
IRONMAN Israel - Middle East Championship November 25, 2022 Tiberias, Israel 75
IRONMAN Argentina December 4, 2022 Mar del Plata, Argentina 40
IRONMAN Western Australia December 4, 2022 Busselton, WA, Australia 55 50
IRONMAN 70.3 Western Australia December 4, 2022 Busselton, WA, Australia HC Slots ( 1male / 1 female)
IRONMAN New Zealand December 10, 2022 Taupō, Waikato, New Zealand 55
IRONMAN New Zealand March 4, 2023 Taupō, Waikato, New Zealand 55 50
IRONMAN African Championship March 5, 2023 Nelson Mandela Bay, Port Elizabeth, South Africa 100 65
IRONMAN Texas April 22, 2023 The Woodlands, Texas, USA 100 65
IRONMAN Australia May 7, 2023 Port Macquarie, NSW, Australia 75
IRONMAN Lanzarote May 20, 2023 Lanzarote, Canary Islands 40
IRONMAN Tulsa May 21, 2023 Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA 75
IRONMAN Brazil May 28, 2023 Florianopolis, Brazil 40
IRONMAN 70.3 Hawai`i June 3, 2023 Kohala Coast, Hawai`i, USA 56 (30 AG Slots + 26 Hawai`i Resident)
IRONMAN Hamburg (European Championship) June 4, 2023 Hamburg, Germany 55 65
IRONMAN Cairns June 18, 2023 Cairns, QLD, Australia 100 65
IRONMAN Kärnten-Klagenfurt, Austria June 18, 2023 Klagenfurt, Austria 55
IRONMAN 70.3 Luxembourg - HC Slots June 18, 2023 Region Moselle, Luxembourg 3 HC Slots (2 male + 1 female)
IRONMAN France June 25, 2023 Nice, France 55 50
IRONMAN Coeur d’Alene June 25, 2023 Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, USA 55 100
IRONMAN 70.3 Lubbock (HC Slots) June 25, 2023 Lubbock, Texas, USA 2 HC Slots (1 male + 1 female)
IRONMAN Frankfurt (European Championship) July 2, 2023 Frankfurt, Germany 100
IRONMAN UK July 2, 2023 Bolton, England 55 50
IRONMAN Switzerland Thun July 9, 2023 Thun, Switzerland 75
IRONMAN Vitoria-Gasteiz July 16, 2023 Vitoria-Gasteiz, Spain 55 50
IRONMAN Lake Placid July 23, 2023 Lake Placid, New York, USA 55 100
IRONMAN Tallinn August 5, 2023 Tallinn, Estonia 40
IRONMAN Alaska August 6, 2023 Juneau, Alaska 55
IRONMAN Gdynia August 6, 2023 Gdynia, Poland 40
IRONMAN Kalmar August 19, 2023 Kalmar, Sweden 55 100
IRONMAN Ireland, Cork August 20, 2023 Youghal/Cork, Ireland 55 50
IRONMAN Mont-Tremblant August 20, 2023 Mont-Tremblant, Quebec, Canada 55 100
IRONMAN Copenhagen August 20, 2023 Copenhagen, Denmark 55 100
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Until Bolton rolls around and LOADS of people haven’t taken their slot at prior races and they announce 40 extra slots :joy:

:pray:t4::place_of_worship:

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I know someone that came 9th or 10th in AG out of ~20 ladies in a race in 2021 and KQ’d

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Time to identify as a woman to get that Kona slot? :roll_eyes: :rofl:

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COVID uncertainty meant all Kona Q slots were rolling ridiculous amounts in 2021. At one point IM announced there would be no refund or deferral, took a brave person to take a slot at that time.

I would think the current plan will impact all the races for women. People that are competing to get a Kona slot will surely go to one of the events with extra slots. The remaining events will possibly have shallower fields and people less inclined to take the slots, meaning they could roll to people previously out of the reckoning too.

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Wonder if they’ll try and have some male age groupers racing on Thursday again, didn’t sound like it.

A smaller race on Thursday probably wouldn’t help as the roads would still be closed.

They need to put all the fast boys on Thursday and reduce the time cut to 12 hours. That would get the roads open quicker!

I assume IM have no intention of alternating which race is on Sat and which on Thurs. But if they are serious about promoting women’s participation then they should.

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They could go for a MidnightMan-style night race :roll_eyes: :rofl:

What about going for two consecutive Saturdays? It sounds like week days are not popular with the locals and Sunday races are a big no-no with the church groups.

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I was wondering that myself, might even drag out the accommodation to benefit the locals.

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It would be likely be better for the island in terms of less disruption to business and life, and you say accommodation. But it would be more expensive for media and Ironman jsut being out there longer.

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Truly bizarre in this day and age that people still fall for those fables :fire::roll_of_toilet_paper:

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70.3 worlds is Sat/Sun? 2 consecutive days can’t work for bike racking and workload on the officials.

That is a very good idea; you just have to hope no-one has a bad day! But even getting all the bikes off the road has to help I’d have thought?

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No, Thursday and Saturday again, not sure if it’s the god botherers or just lack of space at T1

Nice was Saturday and Sunday though

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I think the church thing in the US is a combination of no one wanting to agree road closures that would stop people getting to church on a Sunday and also the organisers are reliant on church groups to marshal and man the aid stations.

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2 consecutive days on TO duties is not unusual - we’re used to it. However with the preparation work we have to do for major events, this usually stretches to 3 days or 4 if you have a chief role which means even more prep.

Multisports champs which cover duathlon, aquathlon, X-tri and long distance will stretch over 10 days or so if you sign up for the lot. Physically and mentally demanding!

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St George is Fri/Sat

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I was thinking specifically full Ironman on 2 consecutive days where the finish is midnight and the start is 6am. And obviously the officials are on-site well before and after these start/finish times, it would need 2 teams else people would be up 48hrs straight.

I would guess 2 consecutive weekends would also need 2 teams, as not many of the volunteers could afford to stick around all week.

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