OK i could discuss this for hours but its a topic that never ends well. a few quick replies to TWhat though
in the first 2 weeks you lose a lot of water as carbs cling onto a lot of water, hence chemical name of CH2O, clue is in the H2O. Bodyfat scales measure water in the body hence looking like you have lost body fat. Also you can look more ripped but think of bodybuilders pre competition, by essentially not drinking for days they get that ripped look.
this is why people are losing weight also. Its not the type of diet but the fact they spend a few weeks monitoring closely what they eat
nothing is evil in moderation and life would be very boring without an occasional slice of cake!
Again⌠reference the research⌠not the protagonists. No one ever seems to be willing to cite a body of supporting material.
Journalists arenât a valid source of insight. Taubes has got zero qualification to understand the subject at anything other than layman level. His opinion maybe interesting, but its also of very little value beyond encouraging the purchase of his book. Thatâs self interest right there.
Not strictly true, you never see a fat POW for a reason! you lose weight by creating a deficit, this is irrefutable science. Yes the body becomes more efficient, and the less you weight the less you need to sustain also which is a key issue of yoyo dieting, people think they need ie 2500 a day to maintain, lose a couple of stone but still stick to the 2500 a day. Also with too much of a diet the weight you lose isnt always fat but muscle so any weight loss campaign should be backed up with strength work. to get lean, not âfat skinnyâ
BTW, I donât seen Noakes s a great source of info eitherâŚhe has a track record of âshooting from the hipâ and saying things that he feels, rather than knows, wrapped up as fact.
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externally imposed starvation isnât a proxy for normal weight loss/control. POWs have huge amounts of muscle wastage and significant other health problems but yes you would weigh a lot less.
Science is rarely irrefutable and in this case it sounds like youâre sticking to dogma
this is a pretty good piece. Thereâs not a lot of 100% scientific proof about anything but CICO is as close to guaranteed as you can get, but the CalOut is where it breaks down due to many different factors. We are not created equal! think of the big V8 and the 1.2L both do the same job but both use vastly different amounts of energy, then one thatâs slightly older, or has a couple of parts not fully efficient. add some aircon or a computer (brain and cooling systems) that also may not work in the same way as the other car so you only really know how much with trial and error. But if you know how much your âcarâ is using you know exactly how much you require
This is great; the one research piece I just read " *Effects of weight loss via high fat vs. low fat alternate day fasting diets" just corroborates what I have already read. HF and LF diets (same calorie intake) both resulted in similar weight loss over 10 week period, however, people on the HF diet had much higher concentration of Free Fatty Acids, which are a known risk factor for coronary heart disease
@Hammerer this research started with 35 people, 29 people finished the trial
On the first point yes. Thereâs lots of evidence that if people maintain a calorie deficit that they lose fat. Maintaining that calorie deficit is often the reason people fail to achieve their fat loss goals.
Your second point seems irrelevant.
ETA: I am fully aware that pushing a calorie deficit to obese people will not work for them but that is not what weâre talking aboput here. I am referring to the largely healthy, very active individuals on here not people with metabloic issues.
This seems poor to me. Firstly you state that starvation isnât a proxy for normal weight loss, yet your links in general refer to people who are ill. The same is tru for them surely? Secondly, stating H is sticking to dogma is not refuting his points, more playing the man than the ball there IMO.
Its complicated for sure, and iâm under no illusions that the scales arent the best way to measure health. One thing i would say is iâm âlookingâ leaner around the midriff. So its all about my vanity. Sadly iâm still lightyears away from a sixpack but that probably doesnt really matter to a married 45y old father of 4
couldnât find a single one there that looked at Ketosis. Most review the impact of fasting and/or compare with calorie restriction.
Iâm not anti keto diets, just anti the message that they are a panacea, healthy or indeed an effective dietary mechanism⌠the evidence is absolutely not there to support that yet.
the key thing for everyone is not in the details, its the bigger simpler picture as with most of our training also. With food, its very simple, most problems are with portion control and hidden calories so when i coach nutrition (I am a qualified not armchair) I just say, dont eat unless you are sat at a table. Make sure you have the colours of the rainbow on your plate, try to avoid beige foods, two âpalmsâ of protein with all 3 meals, eat slowly and only eat to 80% full as within 20 minutes of finishing and the body is digesting it you will be full plenty of water and reduce stress and increase sleep. Until you are getting this right then the rest doesnât matter.
I donât think you should mix up fasting & low carb. There seems to be quite a lot of evidence on the benefits of fasting, better performance in athletes form a keto diet, doesnât seem so.
As an aside I have a bit of fetish for TV survival programs, naked & afraid, Bear Grylls island & such. Itâs funny how they never manage to find contestants that have those pesky genetics that âalwaysâ make them put on weight