Anyone watching this?
Yeah, watched part 1 last night. Didnāt realise it was 2hrs!!
I thought it was good, but no doubt part 2 will be the more interesting stuff. Theyāve certainly got all the key players involved. I found it interesting to hear him, and others, say how anti-doping (or at least anti-EPO) he was for that one season before finally succumbing and then going all in with Ferrari.
Iām guessing swimrun is not WADA affiliated? Is that how he was training for one of those?
Still seems unfair to me, regardless of how much of a dick he was, that heās got a lifetime ban and was never offered a deal, when everyone else got offered deals to shop him.
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Iād like to watch it. Hopefully it gets to Netflix or similar eventually.
I always find david Walshās view on these things intriguing. This Sunday his thoughts were that lance has given himself a role to hang himself.
I find the world of corporate/sporting psychopaths morbidly fascinating - lance definitely fits into this category.
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mainly because of the number of people he threw under a bus along the way and the contempt he had for the system, i guess
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How did you watch it?
He said he was doing cortisone in ā93, for his rainbow jersey win (guessing theyāll now take that?) but not EPO.
So guessing he stuck with cortisone in ā94 and ā95?
Iāve not seen it yet, but am proper looking forwards to it.
BT Sport
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Just put it on now, will report back in 96mins, cheersš
Please do - Im wondering a few things; Why do this? And, why now?
Once a (unt always a ā¦
You know the rest ā¦
Horrible egotistical bully.
Probably a good watch though.
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Given how rife doping was in the 1990s it would seem a bit churlish to take his World title too; Iām no fanboi, but given Ulrich & Riis have owned-up, Pantani was an addict, that really only leaves a couple of Tour winners who (on paper) were clean, and my instinct is that only Lemond probably was.
Obviously they were all nice guys compared to Lance though, hence not being thrown under the bus.
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This is mainly my point. Yes he was a dick, but sue him for defamation, or whatever, for those crimes. To attribute sporting excessive sanctions on him over and above every other equivalent party, in my mind, undermines the objectivity of WADA/USADA
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Why do this?
Heās a psycho (appears to get it from his mother who makes the Stepford Wives look like the local knitting circle). Iām convinced he still doesnāt think he did anything wrong, either doping or the way he treated people (and any contrition heās shown is on advice). Doping because everyone was doing it and behaviour because itās all about him and anyone who crossed him was disloyal and the enemy. Thereās an interesting bit at the start where interviewees say theyāre sure he thinks he can control the narrative to make it sympathetic to him and I think thatās right.
Why now?
Thatās trickier, I can only think he believes enough time has passed for the initial anger to die down and heāll get a more sympathetic hearing, see above.
Looking forward to the next part now. The Program was a drama for those who had heard of Lance but didnāt really know the story already. This is genuinely interesting and, whatever you think of him, hearing what heās got to say is quite gripping.
Ps. Nice to see some footage of my Blade stickered up as a Trek in the time trials 
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āHeās a psychoā
Dont hold back, let us know what you really think!
But cheers 
Ill wait for it to aplear on NetFlix like the chicago bulls 30/30
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I donāt disagree. But then heās not the only one effectively holding those views in the documentary. They seem to accept it wasnāt ideal, but theyāre all just in the mindset of āthere was no other choiceā if you wanted to compete. The fact he even took a stance on EPO for a season, and flunked because of it, almost buys him some respect in my mind, as perverted as that sounds. At least at that time, even if he was taking cortisone, he thought there was a line. It just seems once he crossed it, he lost all sense of grounding whatsoever, and then it became an arms race
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ESPN Player - Free 7 day trial.
VPN - sorts out the geo issues.
Start the free trial tomorrow to make sure you see part 2.
BT Sport is Ā£25pcm 
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There was no choice in the 90s and much of the 00s; to compete at GC of the grand toursā¦ you had to dope. I donāt know what it was like for 1 day races š¤·
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I agree but youāve singled out the doping side to the exclusion of his behaviour towards those he sought to destroy. Rightly or wrongly, I think most are in agreement that was the reason for the majority of his punishment and I still donāt think he has any remorse for what he did to peopleās lives.
If he had thrown Floyd Landis a bone, even some menial job, he probably wouldnāt be in the position he is now but loyality only appears to work in his favour and Landis was toxic to him.
Iād put an asterisk next to his wins, same as every other doper, maybe a different punishment for his other ācrimesā. To all intents and purposes he was running some kind of mafia style protection racket in cycling through fear and intimidation.
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What VPN do you use?
I also got another programme that I want to see that needs me to be abroad.
I get it with box nation and a few other channels
Expensive but lots on itā¦