Marathon Long Run Pacing Question

Okay in front.

most good runners land in front

Thats probably why Im slow :snail:

I think I land below my CoG to a touch in from but its hard to know for sure without a side view. A bit like swimming what you think you are doing can be nothing like reality.

You do see people really reaching out in front with almost a straight leg looks painful to me and not efficient.

it can be painful and inefficient…whether as inefficient as landing under Com depends on a multitude of factors

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stride length is an important factor in performance…

Which decreases if you hips are in a poor position?

That is what seem to happen to me, hip flexors tighten, stride shortens, I slow down.
This can be countered for a short while by a higher cadence (with the shorter stride) but at a higher energy cost, so that doesnt work for long

No idea if that makes total sense or if the best way to explain it, but thats my view and tallies with my personal experience.

Effective muscle engagement?

what’s a poor position?

cerianly tight hip flexors are a common problem - particularly in tri - and good runners have good hip extension (and flexion)…

As stride shortens, pace does tend to slow…higher cadence can have a higher energy costs depending on how efficient it is…

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possibly, but more from a position perspective?

I forgot how this started. Oh yes strides and form.

My question is how important is form anyway?

Surely there is a fair bit of individual variation. Lets face it there are some professionals with questionable form, or is it good form but just looks bad?

Also there is the discussion of how much effort it is to correct form and is it worth it.

I assuming its NOT likely to lead to injures.

well that depends…

yes, but runners are more the same than they are different…

correct, but ask why and ask why there are very few…

lots of effort…

that depends on the runner’s start point, how likely it is to affect performance, how often they are injured etc…lots of variables…

that depends…

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I focus on that and cadence as the most important factors on running speed :wink:

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Ooh now you’ve poked the bear!

Backs away from thread slowly… :wink:

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then you would be part way there…

:slight_smile:

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Only part way… the glass is never full. :heart::laughing::+1:

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nope…

What about when it trickles over?

I could and have taken your comment two ways.

yep and nope then…

Thank you for your engagement. I think we are boardly aligned and my thinking isnt wildly crazy. When I was coached in althletes, it was decades ago and things move on. Some things stick with me from that period, others I’ve researched and learnt.

Either way I dont think there is a definitive answer, but sports science is getting there.

I’m a classic fast twitch althlete, and I dont know if I said here or not (this forum) my 100m time, but generally nobody believes it so I’ll let that go, maybe it was a timing glitch.
My main events where triple jump and high jump further indication of being predominantly fast twitch. I can easily destroy myself by running quick often. I joke I have spent 20 years training the fast twitch out of myself. Anyway Ive forgot my point so might edit if I remember

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it’s not really, because…

there is pretty much for performance and efficiency, but the research has pretty much been ignored…

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