Nike Zoom Fly/Vaporfly 4 and NEXT% - The Thread

I used my flyknit’s at the parkrun again yesterday, I think they offer some benefit, maybe not Next% levels. They are lightweight though and I think they are more stable than the original fly’s.

Think my fly’s are heading towards a year old but not used them that much.

Still on the lookout for a 30% code.

Jeff

Another Guardian click bait article that ends with a question. They need to tighten up on this crap as they are definitely slipping.

And why end with a question if you are not going to open the article to comments?

Betteridge’s Law

Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.

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I’m not sure about my 4%, I decided to stick with the size I received though it felt small.

I did the 32km in them yesterday without any damage, but they kind of felt like my foot wasn’t fully on the shoe. Dunno if that makes sense?

Exactly how I felt when I wore them. Like the footbed is 10 percent too small all around the circumference. I only ran a 5km in them though

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I read that too.
As a user of 4% and NEXt%, maybe I’m biased. But I just don’t get the technical doping analogy. Do the shoes make you go faster? Yes, my belief is they do. But then do any shoe make me go faster than running barefoot? Yes, true as well.

Has every shoe company in existence released a new model each year, with the claims that this shoe is better than the previous years model for X,Y,Z reason, and will make you go faster / be more comfortable / suffer less fatigue? Yes.

Is the social media generation just giving a platform for people to be aware of the issue, and to moan with an audience, which was not the case for technical innovations in the past. I believe so.

If these shoes were £100, would most people be moaning? I don’t believe so.

Do I have any sympathy for non-Nike athletes? No - you have decided to take a financial payment to wear a certain brand of shoe. If you don’t like that shoe, don’t sign the contract. It’s no different from Will Clarke’s recent interview where he said he hated the saddle he was forced to use, and his bike wasn’t as good as other superbikes, but that was the “cost” of the financial gain of sponsorship. The rest of the market is now pretty much there with comparable offerings, so this issue largely goes away.

On the flip side, do I have a problem with setting limits or regulations for shoe construction? No. But if the governing bodies don’t do so, then you can’t blame the shoe companies for innovating. If they have a choice of a incremental improvement of an existing model, or to produce something that changes the landscape, the latter is the commercially obvious thing to do. It’s also approaching 3 years since Breaking2. There has been ample time to react to the original vaporfly elite if there were concerns, well before the mass produced 4% became readily available.

If I were asked to draw a line, I think the existing shoes should be ok. They’re just using tech that was in existence before, in a novel way. It’s just a carbon plate and some foam - both of which have been used with varying success for ages. The alphalfy, from seeing the patent application docs, seems a different animal. That’s seriously over engineered, with multiple layers of carbon, foam, carbon, foam, etc and the air shocks. The stack height is also overly-extreme.

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The pink Air Zoom Pegasus 36 were too much of a deal to pass up especially with the 20% code. My wife has said that no more shoes are allowed to arrive this year. I think I have enough now.

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Liking the fact you have a brand new pair of NEXT% in that collection, that I’m presuming you got especially out of the box just for this photo?!

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You have a good 6 months worth of shoes there Leahn.

It is a shame your wife didn’t tell you to spend the money to get the lawn re-turfed.

(Also - you need another colour of the 4% and the Ekiden (sp?) version of the Next% to complete the collection)

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Can you imagine what the neighbours thought; seeing him arrange those shoes on the lawn and taking pics of them :rofl:

" … bloody millenials. All about the 'gram"

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You’ve nailed it with that description.

I don’t think @leahnp has neighbours, he’s way too posh for that :wink:

I told her that’s why I have stocked up for the year. To be fair I didn’t pay full price for any of those shoes.
The new colour scheme for the NEXT is still under review but I think I will pass.
Working from home today means nobody can see me arranging shoes in the garden …

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If you piled them on top of each other, you could make a shrine.

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I feel decidedly cheap with just an old pair of 4% and some flyknit’s. Neither of which would be any use on the trails though.

You need some trails shoes. Winter and summer of course. :grinning:

Bit of speculation ahead of Friday’s announcement.

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