Run + Row Competition. How would you train for it?

I’m going to be doing another functional fitness competition…I won’t bore with the details but its called Athx.

Anyway one of the workouts is as follows…

Partner 1 - Starts on Run

Partner 2 - Starts on C2 Row

Swap every time partner running completes 750m (it’ll be a 3x 250m track). Continue for 22 mins. Score is max distance covered (row and run)

I’m no rowing aficionado, recently did a 6:55 2km. I’ve got 12 weeks. How would you train for this? What type of rowing workouts? Yes I’ve already asked Chatgpt but I thought some discussion with actual humans would be more interesting….you know like the good old days!

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A lad in our gym does these

Not a bad runner for a weightlifter.. hyrox .. mid pack 1:11 singles open 35-40.

He’s won a few of these ( doubles)

He didn’t mention running all in the one he won though .erg bike measured in cals / rower m”s?

So similar.

Does seen very pace dependent what can you both hold for 22 mins with runs in between pacing is key as our friend found out yesterday .. lol. ( thanks for the tips the other day 2 of them were literally made for Richard enjoying my coach role !

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@Whisk is your rowing expert on here, but without sounding obvious ensuring your rowing action is good is the absolute first priority, not unlike swimming.

I’ve seen people in the gym rolling their wrists to bring it to their knees :roll_eyes: so stroke length must be terrible

Contrast that to a lad that was on the GB Olympic squad and another I’m sure must have been a good rower, they made it look easy and I watched one as he effortlessly rowed and watched the metrics go up.

Edit: it’s as much leg based as upper body I think!

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Loads of vids on line

They vary from excellent to … crap I think John is a bit of a superstar ski and row wise IIRC his hyrox splits and he is heavier now .. faster on these I’m guessing ? not everyone can look like Redgrave but some people obviously use there upper body far far too much it’s all legs and core/ back your arms don’t really do that much apparently

When I was a rower I used something called the Wolverine plan by Mike Calvestone, it worked well for me.

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Physiology wise you need roughly ~5x2.5min on race day in a continuous session.

I’d have thought some broken intervals with typical hard sessions like 10x2min best average with 60s off, 5x4min with 1-2 min easy row between, or 1-5-1min pyramid with 1off between over first few weeks.

Build to shorter rests/longer intervals given race day is going to be continuous, 4x6 3x8

Progress to continuous row-run intervals if able practically. Eg 3’ row 3’run 2’ off x4

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I dunno about superstar :rofl: But I like to think my row form is reasonable. I do try and focus on decent form with it and see plenty of awful technique from most people tbh! I was cruising a steady 2:00 min/500m pace mid Hyrox at the weekend while the guy next to me started out at 1:55 and was flailing to a 2:10 by the time I got off

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This aligns well with the level 1 sessions in the Wolverine plan

L1 sessions
8x 500m
5x 750m
4x 1000m
Pyramid 250m/500m/750m/1000m/750m/500m/250m

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Me and my doubles partner did very well in the one we did this year. 4th (Endurance) and 8th (METCON) in the country for AG but I fucked up the strict press and didn’t record a score which sent us tumbling down the rankings and meant no finals. We’d have been top 15 easily bar that. So this is redemption

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Some good input here folks thanks. And seems there is a general consensus on training sessions/stimulus. I plan to add in an easy zone 2 20-30 min session too

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Light weight,… if you dont go out with a few dozen strokes at 1:0x /500m you aren’t taking it seriously. :grinning_face:

Think 1:09 /500m is my best… can settle in after that, of course I am not talking in the context of a hyrox… bet its easy to totally blow in one of those.

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Philistine.

If I was going to do it, and I’m not a rower, I would do;

M Strength
T Row am Run pm (sub threshold)
W Swim easy
T Run am Row pm (hard intervals)
F Easy bike
S Run (endurance)
S Row (endurance)

Progressive overload for three weeks then an easy week, repeat three times.

Chuck in a couple of mixed rowing/running sessions just before the easy week.

I’m thinking that lower back will need looking after.

What JoeX actually means is consulting chatgpt is okay and preferred method.

Funny how Chat is like hoover, shit, others are better, but too lazy to explain so lets just say chatgpt. Hello Claude.

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:sweat_smile:

Nah. The llms are for boring stuff, training discussions are for us.

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They cant add.

Earlier “those numbers dont sum correct.”

RPLY: “Oh yes, sorry for my mistake you are correct” ffs everytime… then correct perfectly, why fuk it up first time then.