Meh. I’m not there.
Im probably less convinced Mo was/is doping after watching that.
It’s the same as before - Salazar pushed everything the limit, was against the spirit of the sport. But there’s no evidence Mo did anything wrong, beyond failing to put L carnitine on his anti doping form.
Panorama is usually more damming than that. Maybe need to brush up on their conspiracy theories.
my thoughts on it…
Salazar and Nike in effect created an environment that was such that it stated “if you want to win, you need to be part of our gang. If you are part of our gang, then you WILL put success ahead of your health and principles.
If you don’t like that, leave and don’t win.”
This is pretty much a carbon copy of the culture that Millar eventually called out within cycling.
If this is the future of athletics, then its one that will envitably cause children who believe they are heading down a path of health and fitness to die younger than they should do, painted into dark corners, and forced to abandon their principles.
That sounds like something we should be fighting, not accepting to me.
On the Mo bit, he may be innocent (or may not be), but he’s up to his neck in the culture, and that makes him part of the problem AFAIC.
only if you wanted to…
they are obliged to declare anything taken when ever they are tested and i assume that he doesn’t keep a record on the back of a fag packet…
Probably had it all safely stored on Freeman’s laptop.
As @explorerJC and @Hammerer state, he’s simply not allowed to forget, it’s his job to remember as he has to write down everything he has taken in the previous 7 days. He had 4 infusions in the days before the London Marathon and couldn’t remember until he was told by Fudge that USADA knew he had, had the infusions/injections. Then he went back in and not only remembered but knew exactly how much he was given. I don’t buy that.
That is not allowed by anti-doping rules. There has to be a medical need for it. This is another of the guilty charges from USADA, he along with the Dr Brown (iirc) had the athletes falsely diagnosed with hypothyroidism so they could receive the thyroxin med’s.
Indeed. The Salazar/Thyroid thing isn’t news though, is it? I thought that was historic stuff and known, and unrelated to Mo.
As far as Mo goes though, as above I think it’s suspicious - but that’s just my opinion. Other people might, but I don’t hang people on suspicion.
Neither am I defending him - I’m just thinking out loud on this forum, trying to come to a reasonable opinion.
I think Panorama painted a picture, which is easy to do, but at the end of the day it’s just suspicion. I wouldn’t behave like Mo did, but then I’m nothing like him!
Your comment made me think…maybe he thought L carnitine was illegal, and didn’t realise it was allowed…! 
We’re all doing that 
Same as me on the ‘long rides’ thread. Just enjoy discussing it.
It did but it shouldn’t be isolated from his lying about his relationship with Jama Aden, Salazar’s ban, his missed tests, inaccurate whereabouts declaration, lots of training in East Africa where we now know doping is easy to do. As I mentioned earlier, him having a go at Goucher and Magness is very reminiscent of Armstrong (as @Jorgan alluded to) . None of these allow us to point to a smoking gun but the circumstantial evidence is mounting.
After watching the programme last night, I’m slightly perplexed about Mo’s approach. Irrespective about the grey area regarding the injections and redaction, here is a guy that has tried to brand himself as a good, ethical man that branches across sport. Or, put bluntly, a good role model than can advertise Quorn, Insurance and whatever else.
Even if he was breaking the rules (and obviously, you’d hope he would be aware of what was going into his body), from a commercial point he’s shot himself in the foot by not distancing himself at the first sniff of trouble. After the US Postal fallout, he must of known what the fall from grace would look like. At the very least, he must of been aware that not everyone wins the gold medal and the NOP is dumping some individuals from their programme who naturally would not be happy.
That said, I personally am dubious about his behaviour. I cannot accept that he didn’t realise how close to the wind he was sailing (hence the changed story). We are aware of these allegations and his attitude to pushing the boundaries of legal policy (albeit not moral, or in the spirit of the sport), What else is there to come out?
Or, being cynical… if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, sounds like a duck. Well, it’s a duck.
Yep or he just takes so much, he genuinely can’t remember…
that’s a smoking gun, for sure…
but my issue still lies with UKA Head of Endurance and the doctor…neither of whom understand the responsibilities of their roles…
He doesn’t strike me as the brightest spark in the box. In fact that might be an understatement.
Wife just gave me a tub of slimming coffee she didn’t want - lcarnitine is listed in the ingredients but not the amount!
Is that the equivalent of buying your wife/girlfriend a Peloton bike?
What?
Does slimming coffee come with a streaming video of a sweaty git yelling at you for eating these days?
Yes, that was originally the thing it was touted for. But from memory, the theory was something to do with prioritising the body to consume fat for fuel. Which is why I can see it would be good for long distance endurance events too
Yeah, internet search tells me humans naturally manufacture it in the body, from food and it moves fatty acids about for metabolising. So I can rationalise why a deficiency would cause excess body fat, I’m not seeing anything about how more than natural levels helps though.
So perhaps like many other supplements, the most benefit is when you have identified a deficiency in the first place?
My wife has moved past being subtle and just calls me fat
well with no anti-doping tests being done, you can use any sort of “slimming pills” that you want, safe in the knowledge that you won’t be caught doping (you might die of course, but still… less embarrassing than being a doper)
If I drink my wife’s coffee it isn’t doping and it sure isn’t going to make me slim! 
Anyway, I can’t stand instant coffee