Sub-3 Marathon Thread

As has already been said so not a fraud. Quite the contrary. Your training and dedication have been an inspiration to me over the past couple of months. The fact that this happened at mile 13 rather than say mile 20 points to something on the day.

Most of us have been where you are right now. Its sht its really sht and quite possibly will feel that way for a couple of days. But then comes the reflection and what’s next because there will be something next. When things don’t go to plan we can use that and learn from it and then come back stronger and that is what you will do :slight_smile:

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Hi mate. Really sorry it didn’t work out for you. As all the others have said, you’re absolutely not a fraud. Take the time out that you need and hopefully see you back on here really soon :+1:

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I think it’s important when things go wrong to analyse why things have happened the way they have, come up with strategies to do something different next time then move on .

Edison’s famous quote about light bulbs applies here. “I’ve not failed. I’ve just found 10,000 ways that won’t work.” (When inventing the lightbulb).

Everyone has the day when it doesn’t line up. If you can figure out why, you can change it, get ready for next time.

If everything you did was flawless in the execution all along, maybe, just maybe, it’s not the right distance for you. But if not, and it seems unlikely it is, there’ll be lessons to learn and things to change you can build on for next time.

Regardless, you’ve still completed a frigging marathon and no-one but no-one should feel so blue after such an achievement. Ever. So go hug that cat and watch some dumb telly on that enormous telly. Tomorrow is another day.

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Same as the others said.

You trained like a demon, and had the speed and the endurance. It just didn’t go right on the day.

Find another day, have another crack.

(but allow yourself to be miserable for a couple of days first :slight_smile: )

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Rest up Funkster it’s a fine line when pushing the limits, elation of success or cracking and the rather rapid decline in performance once a goal has gone.

I hope you are posting again soon buddy, training and racing when you are ready.

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@funkster - Agree with everyone else, fraud and failure my ar$e! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Also echo @Poet for taking my inspiration for my own small efforts from TriTalkers’ epic efforts. :sunglasses:

Take care, Paul. :slight_smile:

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warning long emo post

Thanks to all who commented after my post on Sunday.
Still feeling very down and deflated.

In my head it’s very hard to come out with a positive from this.
I’ve spent months training for something I thought might be possible and to fail so badly really hits.

What makes it worse it a bunch of guys I really only know virtually were so interested that they took to the time to follow my progress. Then for some to say that they, and I can’t work this bit out, are motivated/inspired by what you do, just hits in the feels even more.

I get that it should be the process that motivates you and not the outcome, but it would be nice to sometimes actually achieve a big goal I’ve set myself.

Was chatting to a colleague at work about whether there is some psychological barrier that stops me from performing when it “matters” and then this seems to manifest itself during the event.

Analysing the day itself, I’m still struggling to find a physical trigger as such for the meltdown.

Even from the first few miles it just felt hard. Harder than MP training runs.
The terrain wasn’t the best with short, sharp ups and downs as we went under the roads, and then some uneven paths later on, but nothing too severe.

HR was in the mid 140s which was on par with MP runs
Pace was a little dictated by the ups and downs but the first 10 were, other than mile 2 which had a long downhill section, between 6:37 and 6:50
11-12 had some drags and headwind which took me down to 7:08, but then halfway, into the wind just broke me

Fuelling wise, I’d eaten beforehand, drunk some sports drink and was 3 gels in before the meltdown. I’d done 18 miles in training, albeit at a lower intensity, on zero.

In 2019, 50 people had gone sub 3
In 2021, it was 74, so it wasn’t the conditions as such

I was running alone for a lot of the first half due to the nature of the start, but had my music to keep the cadence up at 176+

When I detonated it was worse than an IM.
At points I was struggling to walk and at the 23 mile aid station one of the lead marshals walked with me for a while as they were concerned.
Cannot fathom why though.

Moving forward, I’m now about 75% not going to Frankfurt.
The issues around travel, coupled with this mental failure are not inspiring me to bury myself for the next month.

The bigger issue is having to reconcile with the feeling of just not being good enough.
That one will take a while.

I use exercise and goals to keep the Black Dog in his kennel.
When stuff like this happens he pokes his head out and I struggle to get him back in

Again, thanks to all for your support.
I hope to repay the favour to those in their upcoming races.

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I hope that with a bit more time you come to terms with what happened on the day.

Races drive us to focus on the performance of a single day when it’s often better to look at the performances we put in, in training week in and week out that define who we are as an athlete. You only have to look at what happened to Sanders at the weekend and to Frodo at Kona a few years ago to see that even the best athletes in the world can have an off day.

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This seems to me to suggest that something, physically, wasn’t right. Having seen your training leading up to this you were well prepared and had more than a good chance of hitting your target, but for what ever reason it wasn’t to be and I’m sure that with a bit more time you’ll get more of a handle on what’s gone wrong here. You don’t have to prove yourself to any of us on here, mate, your past results across all the tri distances show what a great athlete you are, but it’s an absolute pi$$er when all the hard work doesn’t pay dividends. If it’s any consolation, when I dnf’ed at IMCH, it was your post about your IM a month previously (Frankfurt?) that helped me get my head around it and look at the positives. Hopefully, you’ll be able to get back to thinking about racing soon and in the meantime, train for fun. :+1:

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Yeah can’t really add much more than what @jgav and @wheezy have articulated.

Just dont’ leave it too long before you get back on the horse as every extra day will be harder to start. Go out and thrash a swim with no watch on. Sandbag a Cat C race on Zwift and go off the front just for giggles. It’ll be hard, but keep your eyes open for the joy. It’s still there, it’s just hiding.

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Started to feel that this morning as I rolled over for the second day in a row at 5am and stayed in bed until 7:15

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Aren’t your normal runs completely flat? perhaps the wind undulations really screwed things up, particularly with
cadence being controlled by the music - and pushing more into the wind.

I would ignore what happened after you’d “detonated” none of that is really relavant, just getting to the finish is getting to the finish.

As someone else who exercises to keep black dogs away, you’re making it to the start line does better than me.

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They’re not what you’d call hilly, but nowhere near the constant change there was here.

It would have been a factor, but didn’t think it would have been so much.

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Have been mega busy with work/life stuff so not had a chance to comment on here for ages but just want to say bad luck @funkster for it not going well. I’ve had a few disasters racing wise over the years so know how you feel - some days it just doesn’t click and their doesn’t seem a reason as to why. All the numbers you were posting looked good so it if very frustrating to not have it come together. It can be hard to pick up again, so I get that.

I’ve had lots of people say the kind of ‘just go for a run, lose the technology and enjoy it’ type of comments in the past but I don’t enjoy that kind of running - I like to know my numbers.

So I’d personally, ignore the race aspect and just go and run a marathon - this weekend! You’ve had a good training session at marathon pace a week out, had a good amount of time on feet, then had a good rest as your taper and now you’re ready. Plan a local route, stash some nutrition, run on HR or RPE and see how it goes. If it’s not happening, just bin it and go put your feet up. Don’t stress about music or tempo or shoes or any of that, be relaxed and see what happens.

And go to Frankfurt - it’s a great race.

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It is, but the logistics of this year are just adding up and up.

I would always drive, but can’t do that currently as passing through 3 countries

Germany is currently closed to anyone from the UK full stop.
Merkel wants 10 day quarantine which means I can’t go.

It’s 6 weeks this Sunday, and I can’t see it being sorted for UK entrants by then so 2022 is calling whether IM will let me defer again or whether that £500 has gone and I have to re-enter

Paging @Poet… If you can’t face looking at a bike tyre for a while…

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Ha ha ha ha - no.

Marathons are hard.

Hello again old friend.

Looks like i may or may not be jumping on this bandwagon in a few months time!

I’ll detail a perfect script on how not to prepare for a road marathon.

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I’ll tentatively pop my head in here.

6 weeks until London. I’ve not run in a couple of weeks due to a very tight glute. Massage seems to have massively helped. I’m off out this afternoon whenever I can get a gap for a 5km jog see how it all feels. Will probably have another massage in a month or so.

Strava followers will know I’m not a massive/high mileage runner and I would be slightly hesitant with a big jump up in mileage. I’d love to have a sub 3 crack but have I given myself too little time?

Previous pb was last year at Goodwood. I ran 3:09/10 having signed up the day before and bugger all prep. Even with my glute issues I’d like to think I can lower that pb this time round.

Can I ask you experienced runners how to get myself into a position to have a reasonable shot at a 2:59?

Happy to just tick over with the swim/bike - wouldn’t want to stop and solely focus on the run however!

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See my post in the training thread. But as I said there, I’m no expert in the slightest!