Hard 65-70spm, steady around 60. Easy 50-55.
Edit (app working after a restart)
Actually the stats on review seem different to what I recall.
Hard avg 57-61spm, steady avg 55spm, easy 52spm.
Mid length these were definitely higher.
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Avg will include the 5m each length of no strokes. Thats reasonable actually for front crawl. Just need to cut the SPL and be flying
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Nearly 20 minutes rest time seems too high no?
That is an hour swim, leave off the rest, he’s still in the water FGS!
Those numbers have nothing to do with why I don’t use a watch to measure swimming 
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yep proper swimming not this triathlete nonsense of form getting progressively worse and muscling through to to make turnarounds. Probably a lot of hard swimming in that off a proper rest interval so you can continue to swim hard without form suffering
A bit like the run club last night, couldnt believe the rest, 2 * 800m main set, 600 at ~800m pb pace, 30sec rest then 200 as fast as you can, 6mins rest.
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Well I’m happy to be put back in my box but I still feel like that feels like too much standing around doing nothing - I’m obviously not at the pointy end of a tri swim though, maybe I’m not going hard enough!
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Sprinters at my old club used to do a session of 2x 300m with 45 minutes recovery.
It was their least favourite session of the winter.
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I was only joking, I am in no position to comment on anyone’s swimming.
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That really is common amongst triathletes. Russ Barber alluded to it on a pod where he adjusted rests on VO2 sets to a lot less in the tri squad as they didnt like the standing around.
Wait untill you see the 4 x 100 off 15minute sets with swimmers literally sleeping poolside between
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It’s one of those things where it depends what you’re training for and what that session is about though hey? I have swum with a masters group before and there was a sprinters lane. Those guys did a warm up then a series of 25m or 50m and rarely 100m or only part of each of those distances, all off loads of rest. All the competitive masters guys are swimming 7+ times a week so their overall volume will still be pretty high compared to a x3/wk triathlete.
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There is a lot of standing around, but I have learned the value of it. I’ve learned to push harder and get max efforts in, but like hard lifting - you have to recover. Mostly though, it’s cos I’m in the slowest lane with one or two who really don’t want to complete the set! 
I will attempt the middle lane at some point but those younger people really fucking shift.
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There are “one or two” masters that love a chat
Really nice bunch though, and a good mix of abilities.
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This is interesting.
As I have mentioned before our boy is short for his age, he’s in the bottom 10%. Yet me and my wife are both taller than average. How does that work ? ! ?
Thus there is a chance he might have a big growth spurt when he gets to puberty* . If so I may hint to him his times may not get better at first (and may even regress? ), if he gets a big growth spurt. Assuming he’s still swimming by then of course. That’s the thing, many kids probably leave swimming because they are late developers…
*though I will be a bit sad about that actually. He’s still my beautiful cute little boy, and, with the best will in the world he won’t be cute once he is as tall as me and his voice has broken !
Not just then, they regularly have them throughout childhood. Typically they go up, then out. Through puberty hormone levels add extra complications and its all about keeping them happy and coming back regardless of short term form. Need to use process goals rather than outcome related goals instead so they can still feel like they are achieving.
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You are right of course, and he does have growth spurts, in fact he’s due for one now as he hasn’t actually grown that much since last November !
But he still remains on the “graph line” for the 10 percentile. Still, we have to be positive, shorter people tend to live longer ! ? !
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Don’t know if there is any truth to it, but was once told that kids that grow late grow tall, whereas tall going into puberty tend to stop growing sooner and don’t end up tallest. This was in the context of a school keen on basketball, whether it was just to keep the smaller kids engaged in the development years or their was something to it I don’t know.
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An n=1 data set but when I was in year 9 I was shorter than a lot of my mates. They stopped growing and I carried on even till 17. Ended up 6’5" and significantly taller than those who were tall then me mid way through school.
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#metoo
I wasnt short, above average by a way yes but by no means the tallest , shot up a bit at 15 but must have been 17 when i suddenly really grew to 6ft5.
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Second swim, absolutely fine now. I can ignore the numbers if I want.
It thought some of my kick set was rest, otherwise it was fine.
Going to try one of their workouts during the week.
I have the swim leg of two relays at the London Triathlon coming up, then I need to pull the plug on the club or the London Aquatic. It’s not an easy decision. The LA is sublime and next to work. The club has human interaction and a little coaching. Prices about the same. LA is stealth training, club takes up home time. Hmm. LA means swimming on days I commute ride or run, so not fresh.
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