RE: Power on an Apple…my Powertap pedals connect to my phone seamlessly. So I’m not sure where that’s come from???
But they connect to your phone via some kind of app that the phone is running, yes?
No different from me connecting my ant+ power meter to trainerroad, as my Samsung phone has ant+ and the trainerroad app is running.
From what DCR says, the apple watch only has that one app that has been developed to read (and record?) your PM data. And it costs a shit load each month. So you are correct in principle, someone could develop an app. But my point would be, I’d rather have a sports watch that is designed specifically for the purpose I want to use it, and has all that functionality natively on the device.
Taking the stryd example from the other thread … that requires a third party developed data field to work, as natively garmins don’t record running power. 99/100 it works fine, until all my connect iq data fields go weird, and then I have to reinstall stuff to get it to work properly. Inbuilt functionality is just much more stable, rather than relying on third party developers. For an optional purchase like stryd, I knew that was the case. For a basic thing like I power meter, I would just want that to work.
Oh I gotcha 
I was thinking of whacking Strava or PowerTap Mobile on there and away I went. Or even Zwift companion app.
It connects to gym equipment, like TechnoGym, and is BTE,so I’d just assumed it has cycling power and HR…
…though I’d most likely be using my Edge when cycling.
Yes and it’s done swim since series 2. You can also receive phone calls without your phone if you get the sim enabled one.
Plus it can do everything a smart watch can do, which obviously a tri watch can’t.
And software innovations are driven by an open market, not a single producer.
I don’t know about battery but I think the larger cellular version has more battery. EDIT: I read a review on the s4 testing the 6h continuous activity tracking, so on long course you’d still only want it for the swim and the run leg, put it in power saving mode in between.
Ps it’s horseshit that people review the watch and not the available apps, which is of course the whole point of the difference between a smart watch and a tri watch.
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CHEERS!
My colleague ordered a Series 5 as we’ve been having this discussion, so I’m taking his Series 2 off his hands for £50 (current recycle value) to see how I get on with it 
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Not sure that’s fair. You don’t get phone review website reviewing the apps. They review the core inbuilt features and performance of the phone.
It would be impossible to review all apps available for a phone, or a smart watch. It’s an ever changing landscape, and by the time someone’s written something, it’d be out of date.
On the sports watch front, you don’t get any of the reviewers reviewing based on the functionality of connect iq apps. They acknowledge they are there, but they’re just a bonus.
Fair or not, if I’d walked into the board meeting yesterday and started a sentence like “Apple Watch doesn’t track sleep…” at least two people would have said “What, this Apple Watch that ive been using to track my sleep for years?”, or perhaps “can only track basic swim stats” I’d have been laughed at or worse, lost my job.
App Store and all its apps is the killer feature, absolutely relevant to triathletes and consumers.
It might not be easy to compare apples and oranges, but if that’s what you’re going to do, then it is plain wrong to only count native apps.
Plus I’m tired, unwell, and have little patience right now. 
We can agree to disagree then. I wouldn’t want a separate app for what I would expect to be core features. I want the device to do stuff natively and have all that data in one place.
Im with you. Its great to have the extensibility of apps for additional functionality but if I’m buying a sports watch I want that core feature set native to the device. I also want the innovation done by the company who are building the device, not an app written by a spotty oik in his mums box room.
Watch aside. You’d be on your final written warning for your bike fit 
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Maybe it’s the sports snob in me, but i just could not even fathom using an Apple watch as my main training tool. I like to buy kit from companies that specialise in that area. For example, for cold weather gear i look to the Scandis, the Swiss and the like, companies who have spent years specialising in that arena. I wouldn’t wear Under Armour trainers, or Adidas sunglasses etc etc
edit: unless that company proved their worth by really investing in that particular field, and not just relying on their brand name to move across into different areas. For example, Adidas are now properly committing to trail running in the R&D, athlete support etc so i would be more likely to look that way now when considering trail gear.
Plus its Apple.
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Indeed, many people do and that’s probably why DCR chooses this approach…it’s just fundamentally flawed.
…Funny how people use laptops, Windows and Excel these days, they should have stuck with calculators - devices dedicated to the task you want to do… 
Luckily while they’re interested in fitness and health data they’re not interested in my finisherpix! 
Can you say who you work for?
I can’t but it wouldn’t interest you lot I don’t think, not directly anyway. There are services you can submit your fitness/health data in order to gain insights into your wellbeing or say get a discount on your health insurance. That sort of thing. That’s one of my clients, I consult in cyber security.
I’ve got a 735XT that I’ve been wearing as my daily watch for the last year or so. It’s slimmer than the top of the line offerings and none of the features it lacks are an issue for me. In fact the lack of a barometric altimeter was a plus given their reliability record.
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I only replaced my 735 because I wasn’t confident the battery would last even a 10:** Ironman on GPS. As it is, I actually like the look of my 935 a lot more than the 920 I had a while back. My wife now has the 735, so it still gets used for the odd run!
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That’s surprising for a high end watch.
I’ve just got the 230, and i can easily get 10 hrs out of it. With Glonass switched off, smart recording on, bluetooth off and alerts switched off i’ve got over 13hrs out of it. This all from a <£200 watch.
Battery life isn’t an issue for me as I’ve never done an Ironman and if I ever did (highly unlikely) I’d just carry a stone and measure the erosion!
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