The debunk I’m hearing from this and other recent conversations I’ve heard is that fasted training does not improve fat metabolisation. Low intensity improves fat metabolisation, all fasted training does is prevent you doing high intensity because you don’t have the energy for it!
I’m sure I’ve oversimplified, but that was all I could recall as I hadn’t had my toast and honey.
Well again not quite that simple, but you use all 4 calories per gram of protein and carbs, where else does it go? They are just used in different ways. Any unused protein still gets stored as sugar though
Some people just can’t move on ha ha!
The reason “it’s not simple” and “it depends” is because CICO is a lie.
Boom. 
Its not, the only lies come from Noakes, that bloke banging on about climate change myths, anti vax and now retweeting David Icke 
Ad hominem attacks are logical fallacies - give me a real argument. Oh wait, you’ve already agreed with me!
= CICO is misleading and an oversimplification.
= CICO is oversimplification to the point of falsehood.
I.e. CICO is a lie. 
Finally we all agree 
He seemed pretty sane when he was on TV with Shep.
Your body uses 30% of the energy in protein to break it down before it can be absorbed.
Therefore only 70% is available to your body for anything else.
Fat is 98%
Simple carbs 95%
Complex carbs 90%
I’d need to find studies to back that up but those are the commonly quoted figures.
The point being, for the same amount of calories put in your mouth, you absorb up to 28% less if it’s protein.
Making CICO more about what’s available to your body rather than what you put in your mouth.
I don’t think anyone has ever claimed that all calories in are equal but if you want to lose chub you have to run a calorie deficit.
The LCHF zealots like Noakes used to claim you can run a calorie excess as long as you were keto, and you could still lose chub. But you can’t and they realised this and so back tracked.
I’m pretty sure lots of people have claimed that, because I’ve seen a lot of the fitness influencers do it.
Maybe less so on here where debate is more open to nuance.
Yer theres the issue right there
So the body is using it, correct?
No, just some people need more than others, its still energy in v energy out
Sorry, I meamt on here, i have no.clue what fitness influencers say. TBH my.social media follows are.pretty limited and I don’t think anyone who would.be classed as an influencer is on the list.
@Poet please don’t start that again
Ah then maybe.
I was referring to the calorie is a calorie is a calorie folk who don’t recognise the difference between eating 1 calorie of sugar vs 1 calorie of protein.
It’s facts 
Eat less calories than you expend.
Lose weight.
Simples 
1g of sugar = 4 calories
1g of protein = 4 calories
Sugar tastes better, it’s a more efficient fuel source.
I’ve not seen many IMJ athletes using steak in their races 
Except there’s also 4kcal in 1g protein
And 7kcal in 1g ethanol if it’s that simple
Edited
Apparently 33kcal in 100 grams of grass. 3.3 grams of carbs, 2.2 grams of protein. Not all species get to enjoy those kcal though.