COVID-19 The Thread

It was day 8 before I did anything despite not feeling bad, but was still positive, but I was being pretty cautious and obviously a bit older!

Don’t think I had races scheduled for a while after, got back to some steady training, but a 5 hour race is a different matter. Then again 2 people have done IM’s recently with it, unknowlingly!

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Didn’t at least one of them end up in the medical tent :roll_eyes:

I was advised to wair 2 days after the symptoms stop before doing any training and then building back into it gradually. I wouldn’t have been in any shape to race a HIM a week after :man_shrugging:

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Wot @Whisk said

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Yes, fair point. But as you say I’d see how I was feeling after being negative and be very cautious. Certainly wouldn’t be racing as such.

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Same as Jeff. I did an easy zwift on day 8. Easy run on day 10. My HR was high for a while so for a few months I avoided anything hard! I’d monitor it and see how you feel.

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Tempted to do the race but just at cruise pace rather than pushing it. My HR hasn’t been particularly elevated so may have got away with it.

Will see what’s happening by the weekend and make a decision.

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I took me a month before I remotely started feeling normal and able to raise my HR above anything higher than Z2, but I’ve always had a tendency for colds and viruses to go straight to my chest. Is err on the side of caution, but that’s just me.

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So I’d say feeling crap lasted about 48h for my Moderna Booster; started about 8h after the jab.

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I have a mild headache, slight shivers, slight sore throat, slightly sick feeling and a bit of brain fog.

Waiting for the result of my pcr on Tuesday evening (covid study we do), though I have a feeling that’ll be neg anyway. If so will test later today.

Fuck.

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Interesting article from Andy Burnham and the Hillsborough Law he is trying to get passed.

My guess, any government would be too afraid to have such a law.

It’s behind a paywall so I’ve copied it below.

"What hope can we have that the Covid Inquiry, which finally began this week, will deliver the truth at the first time of asking? It is certainly an inquiry which matters hugely to millions. But, if the circumstances of its launch are anything to go by, people are already entitled to have their doubts.

The PM’s official announcement came just two days after bereaved families felt the need to threaten a judicial review over continued delays. Not a great look and hardly what you would call getting off on the right foot.

Consider this alongside proceedings this week at another major public inquiry involving the Department of Health and you have even more grounds for fearing the worst. The Infected Blood Inquiry is looking into how thousands of haemophiliacs came to be infected with Hepatitis C and HIV from faulty blood products imported from the US in the 1970s and 1980s, with over 2,000 lives lost and countless more ruined.

Just as with the Covid Inquiry, those affected had to fight to get the Blood Inquiry started — in their case, for three whole decades and more. This week, former Ministers gave evidence, including Sir John Major who described the situation as “incredibly bad luck”.

This is the official UK Government line that civil servants have given to every Minister since the scandal first broke. It is certainly what I was told as Health Secretary in 2010. It has held for 40 years or more. But I don’t think it can hold much longer.

I am due to give evidence to the Inquiry two weeks tomorrow so there is a limit to what more I can say here. What I can say is that the experience of the victims of contaminated blood, whilst extreme, is by no means unique.

Just like the Thalidomide victims before them, those damaged by Sodium Valproate are still fighting for answers. Only two weeks ago, victims of the pregnancy test Primodos were in court having to fight a Government bid to bully them into silence. And then consider one of the most egregious injustices of them all – the plight of the Nuclear Test Veterans. These men were serving our country overseas and exposed to nuclear blasts without their knowledge, consent or protective equipment. Despite huge health harms to them and their descendants, they have never even had access to their medical records.

Why does the state go to such lengths to prevent innocent victims being given the answers they deserve?

It’s partly about reputations, but mainly about money.

What all of these health scandals have in common is a default Government response primarily driven by fear of potential financial exposure rather than compassion for victims. This culture is ingrained in the British civil service and explains why its judgement is so clouded.

You can see this thinking in a document released this week from John Major’s time in the Treasury. It warned against a sympathetic response to infected blood victims as it could lead to “an open-ended commitment of huge dimensions”.

Of course, every Minister must consider the financial implications of their decisions. But it should always be a secondary concern behind what is morally right. In fact, telling the truth at the first time of asking can save money in the long run. It is what should happen – but a long list of justice campaigns proves it is not what actually happens.

So how do we break the cycle of repeated injustice and put the right values at the heart of the British state? The only way it will ever happen is if MPs on all sides get behind the proposed Hillsborough Law.

Next month, the Mayor of the Liverpool City-Region and I will be in Parliament to hand our proposed law over to MPs. Its central proposal is a “duty of candour” on all public servants – a legal and contractual duty to tell the truth at the first time of asking.

The Covid Inquiry is arguably the biggest and most important public inquiry this country has ever seen. But it will struggle to get to the truth if the civil service adopts its default approach.

In my experience, the vast majority of civil servants are good people. But they are asked to work in a system that is too desensitised. Let’s allow them to do the job they entered the profession to do – serving the public – and that means passing the Hillsborough Law – now."

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Yes because it opens them up too much to scrutiny and no Govt wants that - plus it could also entail being open to far too many spurious inquiries which will take up too much time and money. But cover ups need some solid means of being able to open them up without too much delay but what the answer is I’m not sure.

The way the Govt acts in these things is almost akin to the way insurers work - look for getouts wrapped up in complex terms, or just don’t admit anything that could be mis-interpreted. In other words deny any liability from the off.

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Pretty much how I see it. I’m always a little confused by Andy B. He fights a good campaign but whenever he’s been in a position to actually do something he’s never taken the opportunity.

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:rooster: & :soccer: :soccer:

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Bollocks :confused: hope you aren’t too bad.

So annoying when it’s 8 days from your race like jgav.

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Oh no! Hope you feel better soon. Bummer you and @Jgav getting the 'rona so close to your race.

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Negative already. Going To wait until Sunday then go for a jog.

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I was convinced i was invincible as well! :rofl:

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That’s good news!!!

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That’s good news, you might be sluggish for a while but hopefully capable of racing.

Poet to go down with it next after telling everyone that he’s invincible? :roll_eyes:

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