How to get a doping ban for not doping

an interesting ban for a German age grouper who had IV infusions for a gut problem. just shows - don’t post shit to Facebook!

Yet, they let Vinokourov race IM without a blink of the eye… hmmhhhh…


What a terrible article, dope cheat cheats, but the article is still “aww the poor guy didn’t cheat really…”

And Jalabert, and Armstrong at one point.

what a dope…

I was kind of thinking that, but nowhere does it say what he took - just that it wasn’t a prohibited substance.

I think I’m pretty harsh on rules, but I’m struggling to see the point here. Does anyone know why intravenous injections of anything at all over 100ml is prohibited? Saline solution?

He did a prohibited method, which is just as much “doping” as a prohibited drug.

The reason any IV’s is banned is that it almost certainly works to improve performance in some situations where increasing plasma volume improves cardiac output, but also banned as a masking agent where “diluting” the blood will make other things harder to detect or to below levels where there’s a limit.


Ooh, very sneaky. Thanks. :+1:

It’s also a very basic, and potentially life saving treatment for infections/gastroenteritis as he had. Potentially nothing against him having one (if they were the circumstances) but its the lack of awareness for not declaring it.

He got the IV drip in a health spa, not under a doctor, not because he actually needed one, purely for it’s benefits - yes he probably lost some fluid with a few shits after some dodgy meat, but let’s not pretend it was anything legitimate that he was unfortunately caught for.

Infusions in a hospital situation mostly don’t require a TUE, and in any case if he was a UK amateur athlete in a UK sport situation you wouldn’t even need to apply for a TUE until there was some question of the legitimacy so he would not have needed to declare it to anyone before. (Ironman of course have their own rules so they could do what they want)


So, are you saying if we talk about ketones, L-acarnitine and other legal things on TriTalk, qualify for Kona/Taupo, then the WTC could come and smack us down?

Some people better get deleting posts :face_with_monocle::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Thanks, much clearer picture.

Probably only if someone bubbles you to Ironman, which I’m sure was the case for Chris Dels.

I know someone who had an IV (3 actually) administered by an Ironman affiliated medical professional after IM Austria in 2009; what’s the punishment? None I assume :slightly_smiling_face:

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He would need to declare it when tested…so assuming he wasn’t tested then that is correct…

Yes, in the situation where it was legal, however infusions outside of medical situations are not legal, if you’re unsure if it’s a medical procedure, clues like it being in a strip mall with names like “health spa” “infusion shop” and not in a hospital with doctors around are pretty good ones.

(And this of course is a risk as an amateur that all your TUE’s are retrospective so you’re relying on them actually being approved)

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…and in this case i doubt it would ever be approved

Smoke. Fire?

Interesting to compare and contrast the treatment of this story here against our friends across the pond.…suspended_for_violating_WADA’s_anti-doping_code…_P7160035/

ETA - can’t get link to work for some reason but guessing most of you have access anyway.

I don’t think it’s really different, I think the athlete himself has handled it okay, showing that he was almost certainly just a fool and held his hands up - the only concern is that he was so blasé about the rules in general that he didn’t bother to think at all about if it was legal. What other stuff was he just not bothering about.

My real complaint was against the article, which I guess feeds into that attitude of athletes. The get an infusion at the end of an IM cheating also certainly feeds into that view I’m sure.

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You need to edit that, so that the second sentence makes sense.