So will there be a time window that you find yourself in after the race and with a chance of a roll down?
This helps explain some of it…
But sounds like they (Ironman) aren’t really sure how it’ll go until the new system has been in place for a while.
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I understand it!
Do I win a Kona slot now…..
In reality I think it makes life much harder for all women and old men. It’ll massively skew the slots into the fast male AGs where top 8-9 finish close together and away from the old AGs where top 3 may cover an hour.
I think the make up of Kona will go massively younger, and probably more male.
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It’ll be tough for M25 - 39 to compete though right?
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It certainly doesn’t help the big male age groups. Especially if you get someone like an ex-pro doper like Vino or Jalabert!
I think it will take a while to understand, but it looks like it is based on the race itself and might make rolldown quicker, or even possible to do it via email afterwards.
Still looks like the best chance is to outlive everyone and continue racing until M85 
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Vino or Jalabert would win the AG, but the rest of the AG are given age adjusted times based on the Kona standard (ave of top 20% of koba finishers over 5 years) so Vino/Jalabert would tweak that up a bit but it would be very diluted by 5 years and the rest of the finishers in that 20%.
I guess they are using the Kona standard rather than say AG winner of the Q race to avoid the skew you would get if your Q race AG had Vino in it.
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I was partly think that as both of them I think won Nice a couple of years ago they’ve potentially changed the weighting factor for that A\G, albeit slightly.
It’s a hard call, I can see how they think it is fairer, but if people were going with have an eye on a rolldown they might do something else now if their changes have reduced.
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It does take the dream away for some.
People rock up to roll down after coming 11th in AG; they’ve seen AGs go that far and today might, just might be the day.
There is usually one AG that goes deep in a roll down, and someone gets lucky. They are usually the most excited, overwhelmed and emotional qualifier.
Now after 20 AG winners there may be 30 performance slots.
If your age adjusted rank is not <40, go home. 11th in AG is likely to be c200 performance ranking, go home. If you’re M60-64, 2nd in AG, performance rank 55, go home.
It’s probably fairer, but is it as magical?
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Although the AG win can roll down to 2 or 3.
Less random, less chances of a shock roll down as you say, but then didn’t people always complain that so and so didn’t deserve a spot as it rolled to anyone in the room.
Less women is the biggest problem I see, unless they continue to ringfence numbers at some events, or maybe it is intentional?
They must have run the maths on recent events and have a pretty good idea where the chips are going to land. All in for the wealthy MAMILs no doubt.
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Equal slots for men and women and separate WCs didn’t seem to work commercially, so I wonder if IM are taking advantage of the Trump era backlash against DEI to row back on it?
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This does the calcs for a single time based on the published factors for this year. It’ll be interesting to see how the maths work out when the first set of full results is in to see how it looks.
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59th is the lowest I know of, pretty sure its on YouTube, total joke imo, when at other races or AGs there was next to no roll down.
The roll down always used to be a bit of theatre.
Didn’t you used to have to pay for your slot in cash? Someone explained that this was because the organisers then put the cash in envelopes and used it to pay the pro prizes
I made the calculator and run a he model for two past races
Here the analysis [Preformatted text](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kDR_G-bSggPN1JKdSuVy91vYQCYvEuVp2XFj47cKhaM/edit?gid=238651266#gid=238651266)
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welcome ,but not there
Or stop doing Ironman and save all the entry/travel costs and put it towards a trip to Hawaii when it’s not full of Type A triathletes.
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Haha, whilst kona looks like a bit of a drab American city other parts of the island look nice.
But I think they eat people from Middlesbrough 
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Hi Facu welcome to the Forum. Wie ist das wetter da?
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So looks like guessed that it biases men over women, but doesn’t seem that unreasonable in terms of age comparisons - not completely convinced a 29 year old should get a boost over a 31 year old, that seems a bit hmm.
The main problem of the change seems to be the chance to book accommodation and travel early, which seems like it harms the islands tourism which likely does more to annoy the locals?
I’d rather lick the seats on the tube than click a random link like that.
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