My question regarding the sampling has been perhaps taking the top 10% of each field would be better to ensure you’re truly comparing to the best in each field, and so would that reduce some of the potential selection bias as the cream will still rise in each AG.
10% might be narrow enough to ensure only sampling the best, while wide enough to not be too badly skewed by a single stand out performer like Vino/other former pros skewing an AG?
I’m not sure I understand that guy’s point: surely the only impact of the old model vs new model for the 5 years of top 20% is if your ‘top 20% of Kona finishers’ is a different population by either method.
Someone good enough to be top 20% of their AG in Kona surely breezes KQ old or new method. The bottom 20% may well be different as your lucky roll down to 14th folk will be here and they would only get in via the old method.
People in M50/55 now would have been in M40/45 in 2016 and it was very competitive and almost the peak for the sport I’d say. I did 10:10 in Frankfurt in 2016 when it was the Euro champs race and think I only scraped in the top 70 of my age group!
I guess the ones at the top end would have been excellent then. They’ve just aged up really.
Going on the 2026 races how long before a branded full distance reaches £1k! Excluding Kona? It must be reaching a tipping point and making some of the indie races more attractive?
UTMB series are following, was surprised when I saw how much the Arc races are in January, on open footpaths, I know they need to medical cover and aid stations but nearly £300 for the 100 mile event. They do have the reputation though like Ironman.
I think Ironman owns UTMB now too.
Yes, there’s a link of some kind.
Partnership, not ownership.
The Polletti family decided they weren’t already rich enough, so they drafted in Messick to learn how to really milk a cash cow. But hey, it’s all about respecting the trails 
Yeah by increasing the number of people on them
Just seen this in the IMW afleet guide
Please note, there is a 10 minute time limit inside transition.
Mentioned in cutoff section and both transition sections. Is this new? I wonder if that includes the 1km run also 
IMJ must be in overdrive
Worse I’d think, because in the old AGs the drop off is much steeper. In M40-55 the depth is huge.
Remember when being a Super Vet was fairly exclusive 
Probably the 90s.
Something like 5 M60’s at Switzerland yesterday in the top 30.
How are they going to police that unless you’re the last person in from the swim and they want to start shutting things down?
Going to take some monitoring
All other cut-offs are total time aren’t they? No specific bike or run limit.
Is this the same thing, cut-off for T1 is 10min after the swim cut, T2 is 10min after the bike cut?
That would make sense
Thats what it used to be, as there were moans about Wales from IMJ’ers dodging swim cutoff complaining about how can you run through town in 10minutes, but it clearly says what I put, and makes little sense.
Wales also has timed road cutoffs, ie must be past x by midday which also caused no end of whinging and results in people deliberately jumping in the wrong swim time to save 10minutes.
Well in that case, as @Whisk says, not sure how they can police that beyond after race DQs. Which is pretty pointless surely.
Opening the roads at certain times makes sense, but as you say, it persuades people to seed themselves higher on the swim. Maybe if it motivated people to actually train to get a better swim seeding it would be a good thing.
Running or IM. Either way sounds highly suspect.
At the Ironman yesterday, the new age grading.