I am sure that the 2024 model is 10% faster and 1kg lighter and makes all previous bikes totally obsolete 
My son who works in a bike shop said that the 2023 TCR was his favorite bike to ride, closely followed by the Aethos. He really likes the way it handles.
This might be one for a separate thread but it makes me wonder about the order of purchasing bikes and which ones you should have for any given total number you own.
If I could only have 1 bike I think it would have to be an MTB (probably hardtail) as that can do anything, ride on the road, most offroad up to fairly extreme terrain so, in practical terms youād never need anything else.
If you never intend to ride offroad at all or your 2nd purchase in a 2 bike stable would be a road bike as that can do any tarmac task better than the MTB, you can race, commute, tour, add tribars if required. If you only had 2 bikes that would cover every eventuality and you wouldnāt be giving much away to more specialised bikes in most circumstances.
After that it becomes a bit more personal and specific to your needs but Iād be thinking a TT bike or dedicated commuter (maybe that would be first if itās your primary use).
A gravel bike seems very niche to me and Iād have probably half a dozen bikes before I got to that, as itās worse than a road bike on the road and can only deal with very limited offroad terrain compared to a MTB.
Weāre all different and have different needs but itās interesting seeing how other people prioritise different bike types at different stages to what I would.
Agree completely (about the logic not the type of bike).
I have 2 bikes. The workhorse is a sportif style road bike (Canyon Endurance) which I love.
I also have a more sturdy carbon bike that I bought for bike packing (Genesis Datum). It handles like a tank and I really donāt like it very much. Added to that I ended up using the Canyon for bike packing so itās been used for commuting and winter riding.
The Canyon is fine for gravel trails (i.e. nothing hilly or extreme) and thatās as much off road as I want.
If the canyon was disc brake, Iād use it in the winter and just swap out for sturdier wheels.
It is showing signs of wearing out so I might have to think about a replacement but wonāt be rushing into anything.
anyone fancy one of these?? 
I love this type of debate. I think that with my current TCR build I may have an ideal 1 bike solution.
My bike requirements:
After TCR last year, I have made a few changes. I am still using my Airstream Marathon Frame - itās a semi aero design, designed to be efficient and comfortable for long distances. I am still using Swiss Side All Road wheels - 42mm rims are aero and they are really strong, the carbon layup is based in mountain bike wheels and is a little more compliant than racing wheels, the internal rim width is optimised for 32mm tyres, so they are still aero with wide tyres. Tyres GP5000 ASTR 32mm very robust, good puncture resistance and rolling resistance on tarmac - a bit heavier than the regular GP5000 and limited grip off road in the wet are trade offs. I have gone with a mullet groupset, SRAM Force AXS brakes and shifters, SRAM Eagle XX1 rear derailleur, 10-52 cassette and 160mm Rotor Cranks with Sigei power meter and 44 tooth Q-Ring. Bars are Vision Metron 4d with built in aerobar extensions and 10cm of spacers under the aerobars gives a super relaxed aero riding position, satelite shifters mean I dont have to come off the aerobars too often. I have a Fusion Manic X 10cm dropper post, which really helps off road, especially on steep gravel descents, however, I love having the ability to adjust the height of the seat post a fraction.
I am thinking about a Shockstock Pro stem, these have great reviews and add up to 2cm suspension into the stem, but most importantly reduce vibration.
While itās no featerweight, with bottle cages, XTR pedals, garmin, phone and light mounts it comes in at 9.1kg which I am pretty pleased with
Just saw this on FB market place. Guy appears to be genuine
Number of bikes #1
Uses: Race (Triathlon), Urban (commuting), Road (sportives)
My first bike I got after using a bicycle-shaped object (BSO) in my first triathlon in 2013. Cinelli Experience. To make it resilient, I was thinking ten years, over time I accumulated a spare everything including a spare frame.
Number of bikes #2
Uses: #1 Road, Urban #2 Race
After suffering a frankenbike in Ironman, I bought an Argon18 E-118 frameset and built up my tri bike. My lord it was so much better.
Number of bikes #3
Uses: #1 Road #2 Race #3 Urban
Iād wanted more Cinelli for years and fell for the Della Stradaās classic beauty and justified its purchase and import from Milan as reducing car useage and being steel it could become a forever bikeā¦
Number of bikes #4 then #3 then #2 
I tire off the inner chain ring on a leisure ride and had to limp homeā¦so finally built up the second Cinelli frame as a fast roadie with the 80mm deep section rear.
It was brief however as I was knocked down within twenty minutes of the first ride.
Repairing #1 started looking uneconomical and in removing the Veloce I took a hammer to it to vent my frustration.
ā¦Number of bikes #2
#2 Race #3 Road, Urban, and forcing it onto Trail
Just the tri bike and steel tourer now. 
Looking at a Condor Accaio as a 4 season bike, comes with mcihe 38mm wheels and 105 groupset. Unsure about components, serviced 200 miles ago. How much do you think itās worth? I went in at Ā£400, he said heād had one for Ā£500, but would give it to me if I can pick it up at weekend. Not sure if he did get an offer for Ā£500 or not, tempted to go back with Ā£450. Any thoughts on the bike/frame? Iāll mainly be using it for commuting but good roads if I want to take it out for longer.
Thatās a very tempting bike at the price.
Funny you say that.
If I were to have just 1 bike, it would probably be a gravel bike with 2 wheelsets to avoid swapping between off-road and road tyres. The majority of people with a MTB never use it on anything a gravel bike couldnāt tackle and a gravel bike is immensely better than a MTB on the road.
Iām now on a Trek Emonda SL6 which is great if a little heavy for what used to be a climbers bike. 32mm GP5000s run tubeless are about as good as it gets for the roads round us.
Get it bought, thatās a great deal. Ā£450 wouldnāt be outrageous, but it sounds like he will flex to Ā£400
Yeah, and thatās key to my point really. Most of the people on here discussing gravel bikes already have a road bike (or two, or three) and are looking at a gravel bikes as an extra. So what youāre getting is basically a bike that is worse than what youāve already got on tarmac but can do some very mild off road if called upon and you have suitable terrain nearby.
There are no right or wrong answers, itās just an interesting discussion how different people prioritise, and what you already have is major factor in that
I guess it depends what you are using it for. A gravel bike to ride gravel is a bit niche, although not as niche as a TT bike to race triathlon. The point is a gravel bike is a compromise to ride everything from good roads to crap roads to tow paths to forest tracks. Not the best bike for any but competent for all.
But then I used to commute on a CX bike and never rode a CX race in my life.
Iām in the opposite position to this thread at the moment as need to look at thinning my stable out, now Iāve pretty much called it a day for Tri and just do a bit of gym training, but Iād never want to be without a bike just for recreational purposes.
My current stable is:
Van Nicholas Euros - Road Bike
Litespeed Blade - TT Bike
Dialled Bikes Kobe Ti - Hardtail MTB
Whyte PRST1 - Full Sus MTB (XC not extreme downhill)
Brompton - Commuter
I really have no justification for 5 bikes anymore.
The obvious first for the cut is the Blade, although I love it dearly and always said Iād put it on the wall rather than get rid of it (that was before I had the frame welded though)
I can only ride one MTB at a time but then if Mrs J and I ever wanted to go for a little tootle together (not sure if sheāll be up to that with her ongoing abdominal pain) such as on holiday, theyāre best suited for that.
The Euros is a good all weather all rounder and the Brompton I use for work once a week or so.
This isnāt going very well so far is it 
I think you can combine roadie and race bike (aero road), urban and trail bike (gravel bike).
Itās a compromise, but you have five specialist bikesā¦so sell five and buy two?
Thatās a sensible suggestion but Iād be happy using the Euros as the roadie race bike (add Tri bars if required, Iāve had them on it in the past) and I like the Brompton for work as I fold it up and stick it under my desk so I donāt have to worry about leaving it anywhere.
I think Iām looking at:
Euros - Road, race, recreational some rides.
1 MTB - Canals, trails, the odd trip to FoD etc.
Brompton - Commute and 2nd bike for me & Mrs J if we ever do anything together as it wonāt be extreme.
Given the state of the roads now, a gravel bike is perfect for long days in the saddle.
Heās pushing for 500. Iāll have a look and see what condition itās in.
Thatās a good deal at Ā£500, but whyās he not just taking the other offer, worth a Ā£475 offer and youāll have it picked up and off his hands at the weekend.
Accaio frames are lovely. Looks like a large size otherwise Iād be enquiring after it
