Yes, which is what I said?!
As I said in another post, maybe my terminology has confused some people. This is what I meant to say…
Now conceptually, a bike shop could set up a new bike differently. But this is how every di2 bike I’ve ridden (and bought) has come as standard
That’s how my old 8sp works. I think shimano Claris still works that way, unless they’ve finally trickled down the full sti functionality. But what is “up” and “down” differs on front and rear mech.
As Doka says, the shift when the whole lever is needed is when you are tensioning the cable. So that’s into the big ring on the front (and harder gear) or into a larger cassette sprocket on the rear (an easier gear). So it’s conceivable to say that’s confusing as you’re doing different things on different mechs. But as I’ve only ever had shimano, I just know no different
It wasn’t 
But don’t worry, we all get things wrong occasionally and barely anyone on this forum will ridicule you for years afterwards about it
As I said it’s terminology. I maybe even somewhat changed how I was describing things across posts. The confusing part in comparing the two with words is that on di2 you have a brake lever and two separate buttons. For mechanical, you just have one brake lever that also operates a shift, with just one “button” /separate lever. So they aren’t directly one for one.
From what you’ve quoted above “main lever” was indicating the standalone lever on mechanical, as I always term the “inner button” on di2 the one I pointed to above that is trapped in the middle of the brake and the equivalent button to the mechanical lever. As I referred to “inner” in that same post, that was definitely what I was referring to but appreciate “main” could very much be interpreted to be the main brake lever. I think I even flipped to referring to it that way later.
Ultimately, I can accept my language was confusing, and what is inner, main, outer, small, etc, can be interpreted differently by different people. Sometimes a picture really is worth a thousand words, as I always meant what i showed in the image above. All I ever meant to say is that default di2 is a direct electric representation of shimano mechanical
So, having ridden in this morning on mechanical shimano, I can happily report that most of what I’ve ridden is a whole load of nonsense!
All except these bits
Those bits are true. But when I came to shift this morning automatically, the right lever did something different to what my conscious brain thought (I was thinking correct about the left lever). Shows how ingrained the shifting is after so many years that it is now entirely subconscious. The only thing I’ll say to that is that it reinforces my original key points. If they set it up differently on di2 then for most, it would be a complete shit show!
Ultimately, I should have just said the requoted parts and left it at that. I always confuse myself baout how the general bike world refers to gear shifting
Wait until you hire a bike in Europe or the US and the brakes are on the wrong side 
That escalated . I’ve both, ride both & would happily buy either again, it’s not like the rim vs disc debate. It’s just fairly universally accepted (from anyone I’ve met) that SRAM is more intuitive. I don’t make any wrong shifts on SRAM & I make many on Di2.
Di2 is also carp with big gloves on & if I had a quid for every time I was out of the saddle in the big ring & accidentally pressed the shift button to the small ring smacking my knee on the bars, well… I could probably by a new knee.
For completeness, Etap is more expensive, less reliable & the shifts aren’t as good, I’m no Sram fanboy.
Damn, I was looking forward to a few days of happy trolling 
PS - the spelling deserves a joke in its own right but I’m off out and mind is too slow to think of something appropriately witty!
SRAM is less expensive than Shimano. Or certainly was last year when I was comparing Force vs Ultegra. Maybe different at the Red/DA level. I think this is why so many £2-£2.5k bikes were getting specced with Rival in last few years… it is the cheapest entry into electronic shifting and benefits from idiot proof assembly in the shop owing to zero wires. SRAM was chasing market share by undercutting Shimano.
Either way I ride Rival and if given a free do over I’d prefer 105 or Ultegra personally. But largely pleased with Rival. I do wonder if there’s less shifting lag with Shimano Di2.
The one thing I cannot be accused of is failing to hold my hands up when I’m wrong. Not just in this instance, but in general.
Lol - not 100% clear if a weird autocorrect or just a random mistype. Likely has to be the latter as written and ridden aren’t really near one another on the phone keyboard. The amount of random words seemingly stuck in the memory of my autocorrect though is regularly infuriating
Probably this 
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Yeah, I spotted and edited the original reply asking what I’d done
Rival mechanical on one bike, Ultegra Di2 on the other.
Would choose Shimano every time, I constantly shift the wrong way on the SRAM.
But, I like the positive clicky action on the SRAM, much prefer the feel to that of Shimano mechanical.
But Shimano Di2 wins every time for me.
Especially when the rear mech actually works.
The old 10 speed dura ace are famous for suddenly packing up, but that’s two mechs in 20? Years I guess.
11 speed doesn’t have these issues I believe ?
Really looks black in the pics but it’s a navy blue. Has sparkly bits too.
Ok, the knees are playing up and I am seriously thinking of dropping the running. My mates did the gralloch last weekend and are encouraging me to have a go next year. So what do you recommend in regards to gravel bikes then?
My bargain vitus is now with my son as his commuter so happy to spend if needed. I looked at the spesh diverge sport with sram apex but wondering if it worth upgrading or looking elsewhere
I was initially interested in the diverge as it was discounted but mucked about in the shop with a revolt advanced that was pretty nice.
Found a revolt advanced 1 with dropper etc with 30% off so tempted go order that later today.
From what I’ve gathered in my recent foray into off road cycling, it’s very much dependant on the terrain around you, as to what bikes suits.
With a dropper as well as a discount sounds good to me though…
