That’s a very good point about the outsole; the motion I make would definitely make that happen. Not felt the plate you talk of, will investigate further! I’m having a bit of a crisis of confidence in these shoes tbh; having not tried them ‘fresh’ and at faster paces.
Do we think that these will still be the business at IM run pace, like 4:5x-5:00/km?
I could let you know on Monday…
…if I manage to bag a pair of the Next%, I’ll wear my 4% for the 20 miler I have planned.
(But…that cash may also be used to pay for a 2019 LD race entry 
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I’m going to the new running store in Wilmslow to try out the Hoka One CarbonX on Friday evening…they look pretty damn good for longer stuff.
Question on sizing; do they fit like other Nike
I have Pegasus and Pegasus Turbo in a 46. I get 46 for these wonder shoes?
Erm…
…my Zoom Fly SP are a 46.
My Zoom Structure are a 46.
My 4% are a 46.
But, all of my casual Nike are a 44???
Conversely, my zoom fly SP are 8.5 and my 4% are 8.
Ultimately, I think with shoes you just need to try them.
No wonder yours are cheap!
Child sizes = no VAT 
Would I have sounded less childlike if I’d said 43 and 42.5 compared to your 46?!
Yes
Wondering same thing, consensus on here seems that only really come into their own sub 4/km pace, but then also most people are saying they feel benefit is in not fatiguing as much which is goal definition of IM run.
This year has been my first trial of Pegasus line for most my training, and far less blisters or injury niggles this year compared to New Balance Vazzee Pace. Considering trying the Pegasus Turbo for IM even if it is far less of a racey shoe, but might go for 30 day trial of the 4%.
Tbh I’m torn; I love the Zoom Fly.
Is there much of a difference between the zoom fly and the vaporfly 4%?
If you already owned the zoom fly would you buy the vaporfly?
I don’t own either so am throwing my hat into the ring with the vaporfly but if there isn’t much difference the zoom fly might be a longer term solution.
Well, the Zoom Fly is a lot more robust! A pair will last me best part of a year. The upper does wear through on the big toe but the midsole of my current pair still has some noticeable zing after ~8 months of use, and quite a lot of 20+km runs in them.
I’m eyeing-up the Flyknit version for my next ‘regular’ pair. under £100 on Nike site now.
Hmm.
I’ll be testing them in a tempo run (avg of about 4.20-4.30) and a long easy run (5.15-5.30) before stashing them away. I’ll report back how I find them at punter pace.
watching with interest … think this may be the way i go
I’m waiting to buy the Next% - just gotta get that email link from Nike now…
I have the zoom fly SP and the 4%. The zoom fly is like the distant relative of a Lord, that has the same name and some of the same genetics, but in reality doesn’t weild any power or influence.
Don’t get me wrong, they’re decent shoes, and I use them for some of my track work as a more robust faster shoe, but despite having similarities in “ride” the 4% feel totally different and way faster. (all my personal view of course)
I concur with @stenard here.
I bought the Zoom Fly SP before I got my 4%, as they’ve the same sole shape and tread and weight.
I loved them, so got the 4%.
The 4% are properly different.
I now do all of my speedwork in the SP and save the 4% for race day and race kit preps.
Having said this, I’ve now clocked over 100km in the 4%. So impatiently waiting for my email link to buy the Next%.
FINALLY…if you like the SP, you can get an eye dropping pink pair by Off White (Virgil Abloh) which are reselling for over £400 currently.
Thanks.
Mine have turned up. They are very pink!
Initial test from one side of the house to the other is that they are like running on pogo sticks.
Yep - I believe my initial comment on TT1.0 that started all of this was that they were like what I imagine using those kangaroo type stilts would be like, so a pretty similar description!
Apparently the ZF Flyknit are a good update from the versions I’ve had, now they have the React Foam & carbon plate (previously lunar foam & nylon plate). If I get them now, I can use them for my last few long training runs (my knees need it!).
Question is, what colour? 