Official temp stats are usually measured in the shade, so temp in the direct sun may well have been at least what he claimed. My point of view when turning up to do a race is that the organiser has stated the course, what support they will and will not provide - e.g. aid stops, marshalled crossings, closed course etc. Climate is outside their control and if I decide to start and continue a race based on the ambient surroundings that is my decision and my liability. If I, or other people are too weak to complete that is part of the challenge. If the ambient conditions affect the organisers ability to provide the stated level of support then they are entitled to make appropriate changes to keep the competitors safe, but otherwise it is the competitor who needs to accept responsibility for themself. If you are climbing Everest you know there is an approx. 1% chance of death (used to be >3%) but many muppets with a spare £80K+ makes their own choice including whether they actually bother to do any training first. Most ultras I have done require some recent evidence of pace or resilience but the only qualification for most LD triathlons seems to be the entry fee. Is the problem that triathlon and in particular LD racing is trying to be too inclusive rather than a sport for the hardier souls?
I have no idea why you’re replying to me? I didn’t ask a question.
Lol…
And I am replying to you… or am I?
Not sure why your reply to Tony has really tickled me.
I needed a laugh, the last 10 days has been challenging for many reasons… long live the TT banter.
Not sure I would have worded it as “ambient conditions” but agree with the general point.
Situation, maybe, based on facts?
The event doesnt happen in a vacuum, its not about the althletes personal choice, it is about the wider picture. We arent talking about a day, but record temperatures over most of Europe for almost a week, and the impact that has had.
Unfortunate, but correct decision imo, both Nice and Frankfurt, and Hamburg Half Marathon (cancelled/ deferred)
To be clear, Ironman didn’t cancel Nice, the regional authority blocked it, I’m sure they’d have had some kind of event given the chance as they’ll now have to provide options to those athletes.
The best edition of IM Malaysia was when they were having a legal row with the local RD. There were some comms that came out saying it wasn’t going ahead, but it did.
Hardly anyone showed up and everyone who finished, qualified for Kona.
Yes, true… maybe like Frankfurt?
Any news on the compensation/deferals?
Not sure I have seen anything about that 
I think Rhodesy needs Jorgan to tell him about his hot races and has he even heard of the Outlaw being 43.1°C and 2 million% humidity.
No, I do know a few people that went haven’t heard what is happening. I’d guess they’ll get a few options of the handful of races that still might be open this year, e.g. Leeds, Tallinn and an odd 70.3. Or a few options next year where races aren’t already sold out.
It’s alright for a pro to say be ready for all conditions but it’s their job and probably do a lot of warm weather camps, harder for an age grouper but I loosely agree that I don’t think it would be a race I’d rush to do knowing those likely conditions unless I could emulate them.
Doha Tri club duathlon in August. Don’t want to take anything away from Outlaw 2013, but you could have served me up on a platter I was that cooked.
On Sunday it was 36 in the shade in Switzerland, however, in the sun it was 42. I recal the Etap Du Tour around 2019 when it was in the mid 30’s, the final climb to Val Thorens had hundreds of exhausted, overheating cyclists lying next to the road. I think that IM Nice would have seen similar scenes.
The other issue is that many (maybe most) triathletes would not have finished the bike leg under the cutoff time. I went out for a 135km ride with 3000m as part of my training for TCR. I am fit and cope well in the heat - however, it took me 6h45 riding time and 7h30 elapsed time - I stopped a couple of times on one of the bigger climbs - Honestly I don’t think that I could have done it much faster.
Finally, as others have said, IM didn’t have any say in the matter, the authorities made the decision that they could not support the race - this would have invalidated IM’s insurance and left the organisers open to criminal prosecution - including manslaughter in the event of a death.
extra final point - many riders did an unofficial ironman, and unfortunately one rider was killed, when he crossed the centre line on a descent and hit a motorbike head on
And this includes if they choose to shorten or change the course. You race what is in front of you, control what is in your control, and let the organisers make the tough decisions.
I guess I’ve been fortunate with my Ironman events. Not one cancelled, no DNFs, no mechanicals. At least 3 were 35 deg+ in the shade on race day. My first was actually so dismal some people were dropping out with borderline hypothermia. Europe in summer throws-up some extremes.
I think organisations have become increasingly risk-averse though, and we’re seeing it play out. Call it the Americanisation of things because of litigation.
Agree with this, even events like TCR are much more risk averse - my first TCR, there were very few banned roads (and I still managed to on one), this year the resource map looks like a bowl of spagetti in tomato sauce (banned roads are marked in red)
However, whenever I complain to my wife about the number of rules and banned roads, she points out that it is their race, they make the rules and I choose to compete - can’t argue with that
Won’t be long before they just tell you the route and send the GPX file…
We debated this a lot on our holiday in the USA. American and British friends living there. The sense is that the Americans do stuff and risk litigation, but that opens people up to scrutiny and you better have a solid case to be able to win the litigation. ie. Don’t sue a race organiser that didn’t cancel a race unless you can prove that you aren’t a sensible adult and you can’t make sensible decisions and therefore couldn’t assess the risk yourself.
In the uk and Europe we are hamstrung by the insurance companies that pull their cover because they want to avoid litigation. The USA doesn’t seem to have that step in the process. So we’re in this analysis paralysis, risk assessment land that has everyone dithering in circles and avoiding risk all together. Which just stagnates everything.
I’m not explaining it very well but I’m not convinced it’s pure “Americanisation”. It’s Americanisation with a risk averse nature. America is still happy to take the risk and deal with consequences.
No one wants to get prosecuted for corporate manslaughter if someone dies due to situations that should have been avoided
If you’ve got 100 competitors and they are all experienced and hard core then you can probably say that they knew the risks and made their choices.
If you’ve got 3000 competitors and lots are newbies then some of them probably don’t understand the risks that are in front of them and can’t necessarily make their own decisions 
Its like in the lakes now, no under 18s without an adult swimming with them, despite the 16year old being national OW champ and able to swim a 10k in a few minutes over 2hrs, or no juniors under 18c despite SE allowing races with wetsuit 16-18c, or what I think is a money maker, induction every year when it used to be “for life”
Tempted to post this in the ST thread that is moaning about the race being cancelled last week!