No link still doesn’t work🤷♂️
I found it.
Man, they really are dull and go into things don’t they???
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I made a comment on LIONels shoes on our Nike thread, they’ve got about 8 pages on it 
I haven’t read the thread but I’ll take a wild stab and say that Dev Paul has made a long post with a diatribe about some long forgotten TdF stage, Ironwar and how AB needs to emulate a ‘blue train’ or some such bollox.
That guy is such a twat.
“If Lionel was doing this it would be non-stop gushing about he’s the greatest athlete the world has ever seen, in-between bouts of furious masturbation.”
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I can never get ST links to work either, there must be something weird about them.(Understatement of the day)
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Then they’d all go blind 
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Empfield does have a thing about Links in general doesn’t he? Something about controlling the narrative, on HIS SITE GODDAMMIT!
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Why oh why oh why are people on IMJ so obsessed with MHR and Zones?
Am I missing something here, but what will a MHR test and/or VO2 Max test actually help me in my training?
What is this bullshit that MHR is lower on the bike than the run, MHR is MHR. People may not be able to hit their MHR on the bike because they are not strong enough, but doesn’t mean that their MHR is different
Why are people obsessed with Zones? Fink, Garmin, Strava, Training Peaks, all have different definitions, its all bullshit. An easy run for me is below 130bpm, it’s an arbitratry number I have chosen, and it makes zero difference if my Z2 starts at 128 or 132.
Coaches on IMJ are the worst, throwing out technical jargon with absolutely no understanding
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I think Friel popularised this idea, but I don’t know if he originated it.
It took me very little time to realise zones meant different things to almost everyone so were pointless to use…unless you have these defined in the context of the discussion. I use zones on the TR forums because TR have clearly defined their zones, for example. But “Z2” means whatever people want it to mean.
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I agree, It does make sense in the context you describe. But the uncontextualised discussion about zones on IMJ is utterly pointless, yet it probably is the biggest element of discussion
I’m off to do a sub 130bpm 17km run on treadmil… which I probably won’t stick to
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I find it all bullshit too
I’ve got 3 zones.
Easy
Sst
And chewing stem
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always felt HR zones were of little use as we are all so different. for me, RPE is more important - if I’m working at 8/9 then I know I’ll be breathing through my arse irrespective of my HR; if I’m at 10 I won’t be there long and my HR can go suck.
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You’ve got the same zones as me 
They actually make a lot of sense
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Surely MHR is arbitrary by all measures. You could assign a MHRactivity to any activity whether it’s running, cycling, swimming or giving the missus some TLC. You heart will pump blood as fast as it needs to, but it’s not going to reach a maximum because it knows you need to put a value in to your Garmin.
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Yep. Just take a read through our aerobic 10km challenge thread. Lots of people, all of varying abilities with massively varying approaches to HR and zones. If one of the Greenland sharks on here tried to run my zones for a month, they’d all be injured or dead. Same as if the hamster hearted lot did all their training at the other side of the spectrum we’d all be fat and bored!
Use them as a loose foundation. Find out what works for you. Train appropriately. Don’t smash yourself every single session. Don’t go easy at every session. Simple.
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If it’s not on Strava…
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Is the problem not more that people try to apply a statistical average to a unique physiology? A lot of the zones seem to be based on people typically run x race at x% of their MHR or their VO2 max but depending on their physiology this can vary wildly.
I’ve done a couple of lab tests of blood such that I’ve had both lactate threshold and lactate turn point measured and I define my zones based on them but none of it fits perfectly within the zone is between these percentages. Both tests did have similar results though even though they were years apart and very different fitness levels which at least indicates consistency with some slight changes as MHR decreases with age
Yes exactly that. You just articulated it much more succinctly and intelligently.
The Brett Sutton approach moderate, medium & mad. 3 M’s
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