I was thinking about this last night, especially on hearing Paula Radcliffe odd spouting about it. Salazar has been done for they could prove not (IMO) everything that he was doing. Checking glow times for testosterone gel would have only be done for exactly that, give athletes T knowing their glow times. They then know when they can and cannot hear a doorbell ring. But because no athlete tested positive for testosterone gel they cannot prove he did that.
Just for @Poet, anti-doping is like speeding. We all know that the footballer was doing 120mph in their sports car but if everyone hasnāt done all of their admin exactly right and the measuring device may not have been calibrated properly then Mr Loophole ensures they get off.
At best, the believers have to at least acept that, itās similar to Team Sky/BC with the āpushing up against the lineā or over it depending on whether you believe Wiggo has hayfever or Rupp really has a thyroid problem.
Have read the doc now - yes no smoking gun there but definitely shows a coach willing to attack any angle to get a benefit. Makes you wonder about what heās saying and doing off the email record
Radcliffe was embarrassing, although as a Nike ambassador and married to Moās coach, not surprising.
Iāve skimmed over the report, mostly itās him doing exploratory stuff looking for the limits. There is little more than I would expect from someone in his position.
Yeah, having only gone through some of it so far, that was my impression too. In the L-Carnitine example, they were looking for fast track measures to ramp up the absorption for one athlete, but all the correspondence seems to specifically state they canāt do it certain ways as it would not be wada compliant.
EDIT - the complication in the above example appears to have been they tried a fast track method, to test the outcomes studies had shown were available over months of standard consumption, on an assistant coach who was still technically entering the odd event. So I guess thatās the line he crossed, as that is supplying/encouraging a competing athlete with an illegal protocol for infusion.
They just appear to be searching for the legal limits. No different to F1 engineers doing the same aerodynamically. If a certain supplement is not listed as illegal, then I personally donāt see the issue. As Iāve said before, itās no different to messing about with caffeine intake to try and benefit performance.
(I appreciate I havent yet read the full thing, so there may be stuff in there that is worse)
My perspective is that Salazar has been done for what they could prove but I be surprised if wasnāt doing more than this and actually doping his athletes with Dr Brownās help. He seems a control freak so doubt an athlete would go rogue and do it without his knowledge.
Are you not bit surprised though given the length of the investigation, witness available and the record of the investigator (guy who brought down lance) that so little is actually revealed?
Separately, anyone else reading all of this and trying to figure out the proper way to supplement L-Carnitine?! It genuinely seems like the golden ticket to improved performance. But from what I have read, ignoring the infusion approach, you need to take it orally for 3-6 months to see the effects, and even then it seems to need a delivery method that is combined with carbohydrate. So simple L-Carnitine supplement pills donāt seem to do this trick. And I canāt find anything that suggests a recommended L-carnitine + CHO ingestion method.
The above is where I really see the black and white doping attitudes hard to fathom. The above is all legal. It was the infusion methodology to fast track the benefit used at NOP that wasnāt. Yet I am aware that the above is still effectively seeking to obtain a performance advantage over and above just simply making training gains. Yet as I say, itās legal. In the same way there have been other threads on beta-alanine, and people taking other supplements like omega3, caffeine, protein, etc.
As you say it is obviously the method that is the problem. Like Salbutamol, if you take a puff and itās all good, orally or injection and itās action is very different and illegal.
Yep - but then I look at Hassan running a sub 4 minute 1500m at the back end of a 10000m at the worlds and itās clear somethingās amiss here. Moās doorbell, working with Aden etc. etc.
Maybe the real bad stuff gets outsourced and they don;t all do it, maybe which explains why Rupp has never pulled up trees.
But then you think with Lance, it was the when the Feds were involved (because of the defrauding of US postal service) that the witnesses really started singing right? There was no such peril in this investigation.
Thatās a very cynical attitude to have.
And @Jorgan
Does that apply to all sports @Doka , or solely running?
The road.cc website is horrendous!
So many adverts.
Butā¦the article states the findings were ā1 in 1000ā of being normal. Ermā¦how many athletes go to a world championship and are tested?
Maybe about a thousand.
Surely to be an elite level athlete you have to have an abnormality (read: advantage) anyhow (obviously taken into account with the findings) but then thereās always someone (Caster Semenya) who is so far above everyone else, thatās itās abnormal.
Honestly donāt know what to think about my idols anymore, Iāve always had a holier than thou expectation but Iām coming to terms with the fact that this is unfortunately not realistic.
, anti-doping is like speeding. We all know that the footballer was doing 120mph in their sports car but if everyone hasnāt done all of their admin exactly right and the measuring device may not have been calibrated properly then Mr Loophole ensures they get off.