Sub 7 and Sub 8 IM Project

Interesting what Joe has stated. Even in his own podcast he was “only” saying 3:30, so another ten minutes off at that pace is a massive difference.

Surprised to see all the photos have the main man riding tail gunner. I thought it was well established that the penultimate man in the line actually has the easiest ride? Hence in the 1:59, even with running, they had two more guys behind Kipchoge.

My personal view is aligned with the article writer. I think Joe has set himself reasonable targets for swim and run (if he’s recovered his form properly from covid). He’s a well established long course athlete who would know his power numbers and what he can run off that effort, if he can stick to normal solo race power and just get sucked along to a faster time. You also have to think that the run should benefit from 30mins less actual riding time. That’s a big calorie saving.

Blu’s run split seems a bit ridiculous, but those Norwegian’s seems very confident in their numbers / metrics to say its capable.

I think the challenging part will be doing that after the bike. If you read the BBC article on Kat Matthews, she rightfully acknowledges something I think has been overlooked a little bit. Riding a pace line in a tight TTT formation for upwards of 3.5hrs is going to be mentally exhausting. Even if Blu is (somewhat) taking it easy. To then think you can execute the perfect marathon is rather optimistic for me

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I’m not so sure of that, it almost certainly depends on the number in the line, how many do they have? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167610518306755 reckons it’s below 5 it’ probably best to be last.

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10 total, and they’re using most of them on the bike. So more than 4 (which is the cutover on your diagram) excluding the actual participant

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Remember you also have the cost of the rotation, whenever the paceline is changing lead you lose one rider in front, and also need to adjust to avoid moving up putting you much more into the wind - so that might change things - also possibly that something other than a paceline is best as you’re not trying to minimse average drag, but minimise drag purely on one individual - they want to be right in the middle of a peloton for that, so perhaps more of a wedge with some rotation around to do it - problem is finding enough other riders with the power they’d need to hold more of the tough positions.

Even if they have 8 bike pacers I would be surprised if all 8 were used together, I’m pretty sure they’ll use some way of resting pacers for a bit before swapping them back in

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Not so sure the bike target is “insane”
Didn’t someone recently do a sub-3 hour 100 mile TT.
Drafting a car, with a tailwind, on a tarmac road?

So I don’t think it’s so daft :see_no_evil::man_shrugging:t4:

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Some of the target predictions sound mental to me, but Norway have a rep for walking the talk so I’d have my biggest confidence in Blu matching them. Skipper and Matthews are last minute add ins and I’m thinking it’s a Hail Mary - we either make it or we don’t approach. Which is kind of fine in this event - the whole point is to see what’s possible really rather than win the race so the odds of a blow up escalate rapidly.

Matthews calling out a 7:30 might be the bravest shout…

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Oh yeah, is there a separate sub8 thread or shall we change the title?

John Schubert?

No idea if that’s the correct spelling, was it not one way and wind assisted ish?

Incredible ride for a school teacher. I.e. not a full time athlete.

Sunday should be fun

Coverage starts at 5:15? When are they teeing off?

Swim could be the most interesting part

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5:30am start I think

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Crikey

Jonathan Shubert - he was on the start list if my 50TT today with a prior PB of 1.38.xx

He’s also originally from near me and has put so many Strava segments out if reach it’s not funny.

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Are their any similar events we can gauge the chance of success to?

The dedicated course at tri battle gave Frodo 00:46, 03:55, 02:44 although he had no reason to push the run.

What’s the bike time like at a stadium bike, like the challenge Daytona thing?

I don’t think they’re going to hit sub 7 but I don’t really have my own judgement to base that on, mostly other peoples commentary.

What did they talk about for 50 minutes?!

Drinking Becks… I’m out.

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I may be misreading it but the TTT bike is going to make a massive difference, 30+ minutes on the bike. Skipper has been talking sub 3:30 bike.

Not sure how feeds will work, will the domestiques grab stuff and pass it to them?

One issue may be they’ll be in TT position throughout, not even sitting up in aid stations and that may bite in the run.

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Good point, quite a few suffered Daytona last year.

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Thats on the interview I posted above - a 12.5% increase in speed for the same paced run due to drafting. Seems fanciful to me but I so rarely look at TTTs I have no idea really.

Coverage starts then.

Womens race starts at 0600 GMT.
Mens race starts at 0700 GMT.

Which is much better!

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Linkage?

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