Switching to single sport: Running

Running this morning ( just 4x 1 km intervals )

Hopefully running twice tomorrow which is double unusual as I normally run day on day off and have done for years.

Just to prevent injuries.

I guess at the slow/ low hr phase, a pull or tear is much less likely.

Which wrist based hr watch do you use again ?

Is it accurate ?

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I’m using a Garmin Fenix 6 with HRM Dual.

I’ve found the average HR about the same without the HRM, the same as the Forerunner 45, the same as AW2 and the cheapest polar watch from 7 years ago…but the max HR is not consistent on any of them. You need to look at the raw data for sudden spikes, or with the Garmin’s a rise and drop that isn’t inline with pace and gradient and kick that out of your max HR records (if you can).

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I want it for static cycling mostly, but be nice to be able to use it for running too.

No interest in zwift, strava etc, just for my own records.

Thanks

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four key components of form related to running efficiency and performance:

Minimum velocity of the pelvis
Shank angle at touchdown
Duty factor
Forward lean

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Currently in the same position re- ageing 935.

Is the 945 LTE a worthy upgrade, or would you recommend waiting until the 955 is released?

Quick update:

Running seems to be going well for me, while my training focus is still on strength. 4 easy runs last week, 2h44m running, 5 previous week 3h12m last week.

Did some reading on the LetsRun training forum, but either I don’t understand running at all or they’re talking a lot of nonsense.

Listened to MTA and That Triathlon Show, and far too may youtube clips from The Run Experience, VO2max Productions and so on.

All in all I think I’m making running far too complicated, I need to have confidence in my plan, relax and simply run….it’s looking like this:

M Lift heavy am, pm Run short 130bpm
T pm Run long 145bpm
W Lift heavy am, pm Run short 130bpm
T pm Run medium 140bpm
F Lift heavy am, pm Run short 130bpm
S
S Optional run

There’s one or two bikes and swims weaved in there if I can be bothered too but all easy stuff.

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What is your running goal?

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:+1:

Only thing I’d add is, are you used to running 6 days a week?
ETA: Although I guess with previous endurance/IM history 3hrs a week probably isn’t that much of an increase on what you’ve done previously, I’m not sure how much of a jump it is from recent training?

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This should be easy to answer shouldn’t it? :rofl:

  • Get my running as good as my bike and swim

This I am breaking down into;

  • Current goal
    • Build aerobic capacity
  • Short term
    • See how much weekly volume I can handle
  • Medium term
    • Progress my half marathon race time to, and as far below 1h45 as I can
    • Lower my sprint/olympic run splits to be competitive locally
  • Long term
    • Break my apparent 25km barrier in marathon running
    • Bring my IM run leg inline with my bike and swim, eg below 4hrs
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I’ve done it in Jan/Feb I think, so I can work back into it. Lifting will get really heavy in Dec so there might be a dip then. Recent training is a bit up and down, but consistent running has always been tricky for me.

Last 9 weeks
6h 9m (Brighton Marathon)
1h
1h 3m
5h 58m (IM Barcelona)
2h 11m (actually just walking)
2h
1h 48m
3h 12m
2h 44m

Posting distance would be humiliating at this point, but I’m sticking with mostly low aerobic for now. It’s all way, way below the paces I’m used to training at but if that’s what works I don’t mind.

The thing bothering me is my HR is so much higher since Barcelona. I ran 11km +109m at 6:04/km, 148bpm, before Brighton, and 10km +79m at 5:58/km, 149bpm after. Now I’m 6:19/km for 151 and 6:40/km for 146. Maybe this is normal as I haven’t tracked it, but it will be good to see these come back in line.

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Sub 4.00 at IM will be a fantastic goal! What are aiming at overall seems reasonable enough.

I think you have a sub 1.45 in you based on your other times :+1:t2:

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I always bulk up pretty quickly when I do weights, so I think if I was doing 3 weights sessions a week the effects would counter any benefits from the extra running volume.

Maybe that’s just me? :roll_eyes:

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I haven’t bulked up before so I don’t expect to now, and I view this quarter as off season, this running should still build aerobic capacity but my running season starts proper in January after full recovery from last season and the new volume has built up - does that make sense?

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Must just be me - I stopped training with weights when I switched from rowing to triathlon because I just have to look at a weight to get big :rofl:

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You’re the lucky one. I’ve been through months of shifting tin, chugging protein shakes and can hardly put anything on.

When I lose too much weight I look like a bean pole and have wanted to bulk out a little.

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HA ha, whereas I wonder why I do it if I don’t gain any strength I must be doing it wrong! I tell myself that I feel stronger and my ‘core’ must be stronger than if I didn’t lift…must be true :man_shrugging:.

Or maybe my scales are worthless and the 3kg I usually lose after Christmas but didn’t last year is pure muscle :muscle::leg:

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I lost a load of weight in my last year at uni to row lightweight. I got down to 72kg in the end.

After I finished with the lightweights I hit the gym big time and bulked up to 85kg in about 6 months

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Been about another month and things haven’t gone as planned

4h 34m
1h 47m
1h 27m
2h 17m

So I’ve set up a five day per week half marathon plan, Greg McMillan, on Garmin Coach as a reminder/structure to get things moving again.

Unsurprisingly, with the low load I haven’t seen any progress heart rate/pace wise and I’ve gained several kilos too which isn’t helping given I was overweight already.

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Consistency…

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A bit of an update and some questions on training…

Week Total Time Run Hrs
50 2h 36m 1h 13m
51 4h 33m 3h 5m
52 4h 49m 2h 49m
1 5h 57m 3h 54m
2 5h 36m 3h 21m
  • The Garmin Coach plan has worked in that it has got me moving more consistently except week 50 personal issues.
  • I’ve brought back lifting and a bit of bike to up the over all load.
  • And I’ve start attending weekly club runs again and track sessions.
  • Weight is holding steady at Very Heavy.

Questions;

  1. Can easy runs be too slow?
    I’m not fulfilling the GC workouts really because I am running much easier than prescribed across the board. However I am upping the pace now and will be in range for the quality sessions soon.
  2. Do I keep the GC plan of move to my own?
    This would be;
  • 3x low HR easy runs per week around 35mins
  • 1x 60min steady club run progressing pace from 6:00 to 5:00/km (threshold pace) over the next four months
  • 1x track session 5:00/km intervals progressing down to 4:15 over next four months
  • 1x long run building to 1h45 in length then progressing pace up inline with my run fitness at the time
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