I’m almost certain if I did a 5 minute all out there’s no way I’d be getting anywhere near close to my FTP within 10 minutes. When I go into the red it completely screws me up for a long time afterwards.
(I think I mentioned before) when swimming I did a CSS test, doing the 400M first I managed to dip under 6 minutes (setting a “PB”). I don’t recall the rest we had, it was probably 10mins or so, but for the 200M I did something like 3:15!
Similarly when we’ve done 25m pool sprints and I’ve absolutely gone for it 100%, I went pale and had get to get out of the pool. I’ve now learnt to tone it down a notch or 2 if I want to complete the session.
I’m not sure if it’s related but I do seem to be naturally more suited to the shorter sprints.
I’m very similar. A couple of mates from my old running club would always tell me after i smoked everyone on the last lap (to the point if collapse on the floor and want to vomit) that if i had enough in the tank, then i hadn’t been running the subsequent reps har enough. I always had to exaplin that i have the ability (some people don’t) to completely empty myself on a rep. So if i truly went all out on the 1st one, i woul;dn’t be moving on the 2nd, 3rd etc! As a result i had to tone the earlier ones back a tad, but i’d always empty the tank at the end.
Also, I’m with @badash on this FTP stuff.
If I did 5 minutes all out, I’d be NOWHERE near my FTP.
From experience, I ran a parkrun flat out at 9am. Went home, feet up, protein shake, inhaler, heating on, relaxed until 2pm.
Cycled 10km to a TT, off at about 3pm.
Only managed 267W @ 81kg for the hour (and 41 poxy arse seconds )
FTP test a few weeks before pegged me at 280W.
Lungs felt absolutely fine, but the legs just couldn’t do it.
“ is probably a good idea to correlate your FTP values and training zones to heart rate values, feeling (RPE), experienced recovery time and training adaptation. “
This. For me.
(I’ve removed lactate measurements)
Sort of know “whereabouts” I should be.
No stressing about taking the mick, I rip myself to pre empt!
Sad as it sounds, I don’t see them as monster watts, as quite a few of the guys I used to row with still punch over 400 for an hour well into their 40s!
And some of us can run as well… mate of mine jumped in some sort of Corporate Games 10k track race after he’d started work after finishing his PhD and ran a 32 long off about, umm, no running training at 90 kg.
He never went any faster (didn’t matter what the distance was) - he had two speeds, threshold and stop - and had no fast twitch fibres in his entire body. Physiological anomaly doesn’t begin to describe that man.
Forgot to come and brag - last crit city I managed 4w/kg which Zwiftpower has validated. It’s not my actual FTP but by the measure (I think) in this thread, I have got there.
I always recall racking next to Cracknell at Clumber Duathlon - absolute BEAST of a man.
Then he thundered (like literally Jurassic Park moment!) about 6km into the first run.
Cracknell is a seriously impressive bloke. Met him while he was studying at Cambridge, physiologically then a long way behind what he had been as an athlete, but an amazingly tough guy and surprisingly open and supportive of all around him. Brought a lot to a very young crew and group.
There is a guy local to me that came to cycling relatively late and after only a few months on the bike was knocking out amazing TT times. He’s a house master at the local boys college but comes from either a pro or nearly pro rowing background.
He’s a big unit as well but punches through that air pretty well. Haven’t seen him for a couple of years but he qualifying for Nat 25s and 50s within his first 18mths. Bloody amazing!
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