I’m another Endurace fan - mine is 2017 vintage (rim brakes, just before they changed over 100%)
The split seat post is excellent. If I bought a new non-Canyon frame, I’d look to buy one.
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Do you recommend the TCR? It’s on my shortlist for when I eventually get a new bike (unlikely to be for another couple of years unless I come into unexpected cash).
Some lovely bikes you are looking at!
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I sort of thought that, but treated myself anyway during my lockdown purchase. Di2 is actually great in road bikes. You’re changing gears way more than on a TT, and more front shifts as I ride hillier routes, and the crisp shifting that nevers needs indexing is great.
And the hidden buttons on the hoods are really great. I find it weird having to press a button on my Garmin now!
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It’s a great bike. They’ve made them for ages and are popular for a reason. I don’t need such a race oriented bike for the rides I’d do so would now get a Defy.
Just fancy a change from Giant as you see a lot of them where I live because they’ve got a shop near me.
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You’re selling this one quite well. Get it with the standard Mavic Allroad with 40mm tyres on and a second set of carbon hoops with road 28mm on it. Now to decide on groupset, Ultegra, GRX 1x and/or Di2. All budget dependent of course.
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He got mechanical Ultegra as it’s “cheaper” to replace and more readily available S/H on your favourite auction sites and online marketplaces.
With riding through winter and off road it needs replacing more.
How often are people trashing derailleurs for this to be a serious consideration? I’ve got GRX on my Diverge and find it excellent. 5000km done on it.
That’s about three, maybe four, months of riding for this chap 
Fair enough, in which case I’ll bow out.
Time to harness the power of the crowd. Very happy to admit I know little about bikes, and hoping some people have some dull days at work to prefer bike shopping for me.
This will be my only road bike, although there may be an option to add a very cheap commuter. I see budget around the 2.5-3K mark, mostly because it seems that’s where VFM really dives off a cliff afterwards. Have always bought second hand and not against that for <£1600 if could find the right bike but seems harder over the last few months.
Want option to run 28mm tyres, plus mudguards
It won’t be raced, so doesn’t need to be too aggressive, but don’t want to get something I might regret not having the ability to push on. I think that rules out steel.
Would ideally have SRAM given thats what my TT has, but not an absolute must as seems some better sales on 105 bikes.
Current thoughts:
Addict 10
£2700 with SRAM Rival. Has mudguard mounts
Orro Gold
£3100 with SRAM, or on sale with Merlin for £2700 with Di2 105 and better Vision 55 wheels is by far the better value.
Canyon Endurace
£3000 with Rival
DT Swiss OEM wheels
Integrated cockpit a downside for fitting.
Geometry seems by far the most relaxed, but all reviews seem to state it feels fast even for an endurance bike?
Vitus Venon
Seems very well reviewed even at 4k RRP.
On sale through Evans for £2600 105 Di2, with prime attaquer aluminium wheels which seem better than most stock wheels?
Any risk to Vitus after Wiggle went under?
Not sure if it’s more on the relaxed endurance side of things.
Van Rysel NCR
£2700 for 12sp Rival, 160/140mm disk brakes rather than 2x 160mm rotors elsewhere.
With Fulcrum 3DB wheels
Giant Defy
New model sounds a lot more typical road bike, stack has reduced and reach increased.
£3000 with SRAM, but only £2300 with 105 Di2 on sale.
Anyone know of any reason they’d like one rather than the other? Or that I’ll have issues with compatibility/future fixes etc? Hoping to be able to ride a couple of them, but might take the plunge on an online buy of the orro or Vitus.
Suggesting different endurance bikes like the Domane/Roubaix probably won’t be helpful at this stage, but happy to hear if anyone thinks these do sacrifice a lot of speed compared to a more typical road bike, eg the Defy Vs the TCR for non-racers
The 1st job should be to identify what stack & reach you want to get a bike that fits. Do you have a previous reference of a bike/size that fits well?
This is a great site for comparing bike sizes:
https://app.velogicfit.com/frame-comparison
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Which one is RED?
that’s the fastest.
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Canyon Endurance is not fast (in my experience)
I have been moderately happy with mine as a workhorse commuter, it’s robust and all the parts work with German precision. But every time I ride with a group, it’s hard work to keep up with people on more aggressive geometry road bikes such as Boardman
fwiw 240W on a windless flat road gets me approx 35kmh on the Canyon, v approx 40kmh on TT bike with forward geometry and narrow frontal area.
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I was going to say you’ve left out the Domane. It ticks all the boxes of what you’re asking for I just need to check the prices these days.
ETA: and then I checked the stock and there’s nothing. Of course, there’s nothing, it’s Trek. The bike industry is eating itself from the inside out.
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But haven’t you fitted dog shit, bomb proof tyres?
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Yeah i have an alu endurace. Lower end of the spec spectrum and I really like it. But I’ve never raced around after people on fancier bikes. So maybe that doesn’t count! 
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This is true 
but it still ain’t fast, even when it borrows the aero wheels.
Plus it is the entry level Alu version, like GB’s I think, not the carbon one I assume Chris has in mind. Although weight similar
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So 5 km/h (3mph) difference when working hard vs full time trial mode … whatever makes you think that’s slow?
EDIT - and on another thread you say that you struggle to keep up because you’re old.
Sheesh - get your anti Canyon story straight why don’t you? 
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I had a couple of Vitus team bikes when CRC was sponsoring HotChillee.
The 2012 model was lovely to ride and I bought it at the end of the season. The only criticism at the time was that the forks could have been a bit stiffer because I got brake rub when climbing out of the saddle.
The 2013 frame looked identical to the 2012 version, but they’d obviously added more material to make it stiffer so it was a lot heavier and didn’t ride as well.
The 2012 bike was my go to training bike, right the way up to the day that the frame cracked on the down tube. It was just outside the 5 year warranty, even if the warranty had transferred to me when I’d bought the bike off HC.
I bought a Specialized Tarmac SL8 a few months ago. It’s a lovely bike and I really rate it.
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It feels slow relative to other bikes. Eg. back home in UK my road bike is an old Trek 5200, feels faster
Pretty sure it’s all geometry. I prefer a steep seat angle and a long stem, but even with the saddle fully forward the Canyon feels a bit like a bucket chair.
But it’s probably my mistake for choosing medium frame size, didn’t believe Canyon’s website calculator which suggested a small (I’m 180 cm)
Anyway doubt @Chriswim is going to be slow whatever he goes for 
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