Either I must feel like I’m wearing heels, or the drop is miniscule 
me being dim…it’s friday, cheers…
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Another couple of runs down in my ZFs and i feel compelled to say, that they are a great shoe … for £55. If only the Nike range was as heavily discounted all of the time!! haha
I’ve got an off-road 10km next week, so recce’d the course last night. Wore the ZFs and am really stuck with what to wear on the weekend. It’s absolutely bone dry, but to the point of being sandy and dusty on the riverside path. On the hard pack, and the less technical trails the ZFs are great. I feel like they’re working for me on the speedy sections - course is like 1.5km flat, 3.5 km rolling [but effectively climbing with a few steep ascents], 2km downhill and 3 km flat on the river.
When it gets steep, technical or dusty/loose the ZFs feel like they’re all over the place. No grip, flyknit doesn’t feel secure and my feet feel too far off the ground. Felt my ankle start to roll a couple of times, but not completely. So trail shoes would fix this, with a more secure footing, better grip and more protection. BUT I’d probably lose that cruising speed on the flat sections. There’s a lot more flat than technical … but I only went out at like 75-80% last night, so I worry what it will be like if I’m going full gas down the technical descents. I don’t fancy stacking it. Or do I back off those sections a bit and utilise the shoe on the flats?
Who knows!! Think I may try the trail shoes on Tuesday night over the course, but run a bit slower with a 1km dig to see how they feel at pace.
My last Brick run yesterday, and I was really wondering if I should just use the ZFs for Hamburg this weekend.
THIS WEEKEND 
take both with you … prolong the agony of decision making! 
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I ran in my new 4% at parkrun on saturday.
Massive difference to the ZFs.
They just feel faster.
I’ve also tested the Pegs, but nowhere near properly.
I’ve curtailed this week to another 30 mile week, for recovery of the knackered knackers.
I’ll do another 42 miles the week after that.
So that’ll be a good test
I can’t make my mind up about the VF’s for the weekend either, on the one hand they are definitely faster, but only if you are running fast and that’s unlikely in an Ironman, they do feel unstable at slower speeds but they also seem to be easier on the legs in general so from a recovery point of view they could be better.
The 20% code now seems to have expired at Nike, if anyone sees another can you post it.
Jeff
If the ground is a road surface, I would always race in 4% or whatever you have. For me, when running London, it was that my legs did not fatigue anywhere near as fast as with my previous race shoes. This would translate more in an IM as you are out there longer.
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I’m now in the same boat!!!
ZoomX Peg Turbo 2 (I’ve ran 6km in them and they’re too large)
Old size 11 4% (blue, don’t match my kit, 120km on them)
Or
New size 11.5 4% (crimson, match my kit, 6km in them, though seem to fit ace)
Ok I am a tad confused on this thread now, if I were to race in a pair of next 4% which I believe to be the rather good shoes, what would I need for my training runs? I don’t want to go from an unrelated high mileage trainer to a Nike next as I want to be training on as similar shoe as poss.
So, hypothetically, if I want to really commit to a race next season and run in the next 4% what would be the best high mileage trainer to stack those winter miles?
Apologies first line should read Next%
See I haven’t got a scooby just wanna go sub 11
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@duckhen - The Next% are much much closer to a “normal” shoe than the 4%. They don’t have the “edgy” feel of the 4%. I’d train in normal shoes with Next%.
The reason some of us got other shoes for the 4%, was to complement their “unique” ways (narrow footbed, feel like wearing high heels etc)
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I would just wear your normal trainers for your build. If you’re sticking with Nike, then something like the Pegasus, Zoom elite etc would be fine.
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I wouldn’t get too hung up on the training shoe selection. I’ve ran in Adidas Bostons for the last few years for training and marathon racing (inc. Ironman marathons). Got the 4% just before London (April), ran 5 miles in them before race day and then the race itself with no issues (PB’d). Only run in them since then has been an Ironman marathon, again no issues.
I like the different feel of them (edgy is a good description) come race day and fortunately not had any problems with rubbing/blisters. They encourage you to run faster!
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Thanks all for the advice
ZFs nicely soaking up the marbled floor in LHR T2 
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Do they not squeak like F?
No, they are ninja like.
I find Nike’s distribution model very confusing. We all managed to buy Zoom Fly flyknits for £55 from them direct, then they discontinue them, and now I get an email from Sweatshop telling me they have new Nike’s in stock, and they’re just some ZF FKs in different colours for £140?!
It’s the same with the 4%, where at the point Nike “discontinued” them for direct sale, other shops pop up selling them at full RRP. Surely either Nike are continuing making them and distributing them, or they’re not?!